Is it worth it, finanically speaking, to O/O...???

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Fiddle Sticks, Apr 1, 2013.

  1. Fiddle Sticks

    Fiddle Sticks Light Load Member

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    I wish that I were an angel so that your heart could have been 'touched by an angel'.

    Duly noted--I am primarily, no matter what the business, at least until I am otherwise finanically sound or better yet financially independent, I will be in it for the money. If I open up a hot dog stand, and I love me some hot dog and potato chips, I would be doing so for the money. If I purchase a NFL football team, it would be for the money.

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    This all said, if you are making '$2k/week take in the house money', then that is making money to me indeed~! That is a $100k/year pace! The absolute best I can hope for running for a Eastern European outlaw outfit to HOS rules is $1.4-1.6k/week 1099 or about $1.15-1.27k/week take in the house money. Bear in mind, I would still have no truck to depreciate, hence no tax-dodge that an O/O may have.
     
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  3. Fiddle Sticks

    Fiddle Sticks Light Load Member

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    I know the tune, I grew up listening to my father playing 20-40s jazz music.

    But uhm, I believe the 'that's got his own' means one has his or her own money i.e. not broke...

    For instance, I wish I 'had my own'.
     
  4. EZX1100

    EZX1100 Road Train Member

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    fiddlesticks

    "having your own" can mean a lot of things

    your own opinions, your own money, your own home, bottom line, the more you own of your surroundings, the more autonomy you have over your own destiny

    its not going to be easy, and its not for everyone, but you never know if have a lethargic attitude about your means of earning a living

    i hear guys constantly talking about ABC company "offers great hometime".......excuse me? why do i need someone to give me permission to go home? unless he is paying me for 24hrs a day, i go home when i deem fit,

    they tell you when to eat, sleep, and take a dump and now they want cameras looking at the driver.....enough is enough

    i saw a facebook photo the other day..... one that has been engraved in my mind

    ONLY SLAVES NEED PERMISSION
     
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  5. speeedy

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    hell yeah:biggrin_25525:
     
  6. Fiddle Sticks

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    Hi, thanks to everyone for their input.

    Regarding some of the input, in no particular order--

    I likely do not have twenty years left in my actuarial life to get the 'requisite' experience that some have suggested. I also do not think I want to be driving a truck when I am north of 65 years of age. I understand that 12-18 months is kinda cutting it on the short side, but twenty years? How many of you O/Os think that trucking today is like it was twenty years ago?

    What experience could I have learned in 1993 that would be applicable now or that I could not have learned in 2011? Also, twenty years before being an O/O is like forcing someone to team drive for three years until it is assured the one knows how to drive a truck.

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    Regarding the 'Freedom' of Ownership

    I hear all ye saying that O/O'ing is freedom. If it is sucessful, that is, if it provides one enough money to be free, alright, I get it. Karl Malone, the former NBA star for the Utah Jazz, is the only one I know that purchased a truck for purley fun.

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    Regarding the rather be broke and free than be rich and slaven

    Being broke is like being slaven or at least incarcerated. I am not a 60s flower child that can be happy with no belongings. Granted, I don't get thugs wanting to kick my backside like I might in prison, but I cannot say I am living the American Dream either. Being broke takes it toll on one's dignity and self esteem.

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    Regarding cameras

    Yes, if one points at me instead of out the window, I better be pulling in north of $100k/year 50 hour weeks W-2 with a good benefit package.

    When I cash my first paycheck, if I ever earn another one trucking, is to get a dash cam.

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    Regarding being O/O vs Company Driver

    To me, making a meagar living, it matters not very much whether my efforts are for a Company or for myself. If I bank $50k/year after taxes O/O or C/D, I would likely chose O/O I suppose. If the figure drops down to say $35/year after taxes, I probably choose C/D. One in-frame could eat up six-months pay at $35k/year after taxes.

    I've been through this as an O/O courier. The past few years I could not make enough to cover the 'deferred maintenance' of my van. Guess what? In the latter part of 2012, much of this 'deferred' maintenance came due in to the 'present'.

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    The main idea in my head when starting this thread was this:

    I was working 12-16 hour days making 'X'. If I O/O, could I make 175-200% of 'X' doing the same work? In a vaccum, comparing apples to apples, i.e. same trucks, if I don't get at least a 150% bump up in after-tax compensation, I likely will not feel the 'freedom' of being an O/O. I apologize if I dissapoint.
     
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  7. Epmtrucks

    Epmtrucks Medium Load Member

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    If you do the hard work, ie: plan, educate, and know your numbers. Inflows - outflows = taxable net divided by miles. My taxable net is .80 per mile. You have to be a student of the industry. Drive a business with a truck. If your heart is in........its a good life working and earning at something you love. You wont have a job you will be what you enjoy.
     
  8. Fiddle Sticks

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  9. Epmtrucks

    Epmtrucks Medium Load Member

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    What.... Are you an O/O that is in a struggle hoping that it will pan just because you are one?
     
  10. Pound Puppy

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    I would wait until you have a good five years in the industry. In my opinion a lot of people jump in before they are ready. Large companies make it so easy and make it seem so great to be an O/O in thier truck. My best advice is this : Give yourself 5years. Find a good mentor who can teach you the ropes and give you guidance even after you are on your own. Finance your own truck, and make sure too have cash in reserve. I realize that having too wait to fulfill a dream is torture, but it will pay off in diamonds.
     
  11. Pound Puppy

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    Disregaurd I missed the last post you wrote. Lol
     
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