Log Question

Pattyj:

i am the safety director here in Eau Claire, WI...we haul mail from Chicago area to various post offices in the Twin Cities. The relay point is in Eau Claire, WI. Drivers from Eau Claire to Chicago and back (logbook); those drivers from Eau Claire to the Twin Cities (time cards) as those drivers' are under the 100 mile radius regulations. 395.1(e) is the regulations all about the 100 mile radius regulations NOT 500 miles.

(e) Short-haul operations'(1) 100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of § 395.8 if:
(i) The driver operates within a 100 air-mile radius of the normal work reporting location

(v) The motor carrier that employs the driver maintains and retains for a period of 6 months accurate and true time records showing:
(A) The time the driver reports for duty each day;
(B) The total number of hours the driver is on duty each day;
(C) The time the driver is released from duty each day; and(D) The total time for the preceding 7 days in accordance with §395.8(j)(2) for drivers used for the first time or intermittently.

There is no regulation stating anything about crossing state lines while under the 100 mile radius rule. NOW there maybe a state law pertaining to HOS rules for those that are under the "INTRASTATE" rules but not per INTERSTATE regulations.

No where does it say a driver must use a logbook (time cards are sufficent enough. No where in the regulations does it give the driver 500 miles either. If you are driving 500 miles, then YES you best be using a logbook to record your activities that day.

 

Maybe the safety director who knows the HOS can shed some lite on this.

 

I hear that,everyone has thier different law on this.All I know is I hve to carry a log book because I do cross state line,NE into Iowa.My boyfriend has been with the same company for 9 yrs and all I know is that's what he told me.But drivers at my company also told me it's the degression of the company whether you need a log book or not.I would carry a log book just to be on the safe side.Officers have stopped local drivers at the company im at just to look at their log book.

 

Apparently, you don't read your little green book to often do you. You'd rather listen to what "others tell you".

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/administration/fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.1

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regu...fmcsr/fmcsrruletext.aspx?reg=395.1&guidence=Y

 

thank you,my boyfriend told me this..I don't have a time card unfortunately,we get paid by the round.I work 13 hrs a day.So that same law pertains to local drivers who don't get paid hourly or local drivers who get paid by the mile?

 

My boyfriend yes.You need to shut up if you can't be more respectful towards me on your replies mr know it all.

 

Ask yourself this then....

Would you be able to defend yourself in a court of law if you went in saying..."But my boyfriend told me....."

You'd be hung out to dry so dang quick, you wouldn't know WHAT end is up.

Grow up and be the professional you think you are and not the kid holding a steering wheel.

 

Safety director here:

NO...do not need to complete a logbook if under the 100 mile radius regulations. Here is what I tell my guys under the 100 mile radius and yes Patti its totally up to the motor carrier. Driver please use a time card when and ONLY when your under the 100 mile radius (air miles) from the terminal. When you must go past this (example...we haul mail to Fargo once a week)...you must use a logbook to log that days hours (entire day).

I have one driver that can't understand the 100 mile radius rule and wants to use a logbook...fine to me.

Here is the 100 mile HOS rules in a nut shell folks.

11 hours (driving
12 hours (on-duty)
10 hours (off-duty)
60 or 70 hours in a 7 or 8 day period
34 hour reset

Simple but one of my drivers can't understand this so he wishes to use a logbook instead. Everyone else understands that if they clock in at the yard at 8am...they can only drive 11 hours or MUST stop driving after they come on-duty after the 12th hour (8pm).

I hope this explains it to you guys...easiest rules in the book I think. PS Patti... the law doesn't care how you are paid...only looks at air miles and time. You could be paid in chicken feed (which I swear I think I was when I drove)...as long as you meet the regulations and hours-of-service regulations pertaining to the 100-mile regulations...how you get paid has no bearing on the regulations.

 

Patti here is what I also tell my 100-mile drivers. Carry a logbook with you all the time...if you need to go over the 12 hour on-duty rule......start up a logbook bud. The regulations don't say anything about having to use a time card or a logbook, but if you drive past the 12 hour, expect being put out-of-service and receiving a citation. In your case..YES use a logbook since you are exceeding the 12 hour rule. End of discussion.