Off duty Driving on paper logs

This is agencies way of dealing with things. Especially the fmsca
they first try the tired old line "everyone pays the fine", Then they try and make their "created facts" fit the rules, then they lie and if you've made it this far
sometimes they go away. The system isn't designed for those who don't comply so imagine a mass nion compliance?
Or better yet imagine finding enough drivers with cajones to equal mass non compliance?

 

I told the IRS February 1, I would see them in appeals Court.

Still have heard nothing.

 

Update on original topic:

On this run from Fresno to Kent, WA...had the opportunity to stop in and check with CA scale (Cottonwood) and WA POE, (Ridgefield);

CA position on "personal conveyance" is exactly what Scalemaster has posted. Bobtail or unladen, short distance (no real definition on total distance, closest would be "local movement" for mall, restaurant). Anything under company direction/request would be logged time.

WA position is more strict. WA doe not recognize "unladen" as personal conveyance, you must be bobtail, the trailer is considered "part of freight", or "company movement".

 

Whu would you even bother asking the police? Did they show you a law degree? Or do you just find it easier for them to dictate their version of the truth to you? Ask ten people you'll get 10 answers. Once you say you're off duty you're just that unless they can prove otherwise.

 

And your expertise, knowledge, and compliance with laws, courts, and police come from where? Personal experience(?), law degree from Peurto Rico(?) [sorry that is usually medicine]...

In all your posts so far...all I see is the lead up to "we need to strike", and your "against any and all government"....you won't even qualify your "experience" or background in your personal info block. Straighten up that tin foil hat soldier!

 

How many times have you won in court? Me? Four times by myself. Strike would be nice about the time the last gallon of milk or bread goes off the shelve's the wailing of the masses would take effect. Then we could see ferro and lahood make some deliveries see if they could even remember all their useless rules. Tell me one thing goverenment has done for you?
It's all based on how you look at things. Now there are those who think everyone should comply witout asking why or even if it's correct, legal, constitutional or based on any type of rational thought process.
So what you put forth? Is we should blindly follow the police cause they're the police?
Not down here we don't.
We know the police are just criminals with a badge and gun

 

Pro see? You represented yourself in court...there is one thing that government did for you, gave you the right to represent yourself.

These "useless" rules you speak of have been necessary to maintain a certain amount of order...especially on the roadways. About a year ago, Montana tried opening up the highways with no speed limit, within 72 hours they had multiple fatal crashes...speed limits are necessary for fools that can't control their own behavior. As far as the FMCSA and other agencies that have placed rules and regulations on the industries, "we the people" have put the need in place....dispatchers using threats to intimidate drivers to run when not safe to run, drivers popping pills to continue running, alcohol issues, drug issues....the "outlaw" drivers with no regard for others around them have mandated the need for "limits and controls" on this industry, along with other industries.

So your "4 times" in court makes you an expert in all Federal rules and regulations? sorry....not buying it!

 

How did we take care of themselves 250 years ago here. There was no nanny state then. The problems you mention wouldn't be if people didn't look to fmsca for answers. Sure if there was no rules there would be a period of more problems till we learned how to take care of ourselves agian.
I'll give you an example here: we had went to visit the family in Kenya a coupe years ago. Two thugs rob this mattatu passenger of money and his cell phone. The crowd caught one of them he cried [pleaded that it wasn't him to the angry crowd. Someone called the victims cell phone and it rang in the pocket of the captured one. There was a tire, petro and a match found this thug got a BBQ'ed head, Problem solved. teh police never investigated and the dead guy's family had to pay to get the body from the mourge. People can take care of themselves if goverenment willl get out of the way.

 

So, you go speeding by someone and they do not like it, so without government, they pull out their rocket launcher and blow you and your vehicle to the sky.

After all, they felt you threatened them.

 

250 years ago? Get real!!

Government also gave (gives) us free education.....which you also didn't like I gather!

If you prefer the "to each his/her own" style of law and order....why don't you move to your family in Kenya....Say HELLO to Obama's family for me while you're there!