What is with rates???

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by Alf24, May 28, 2013.

What is causing the unbelievably low freight pay?

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    Drivers taking low pay

    28 vote(s)
    44.4%
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    Brokers freezing and holding load

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
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    Bad economy

    9 vote(s)
    14.3%
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    Shippers/Customers allowing freight to sit

    3 vote(s)
    4.8%
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    Loads being double, tripled brokered

    17 vote(s)
    27.0%
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    High driver to load ratio

    7 vote(s)
    11.1%
  7. Other

    1 vote(s)
    1.6%
  1. mcgoo422000

    mcgoo422000 Medium Load Member

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    All the loads pictured paid 2.20 or more a mile, except the ford flatbed I bought that one. There's been a running debate on and off about the cheap dollar a miles stuff and there's a couple here that take pride in loading that kind of stuff. Now if they's loading the loads I haul they'd be in 5.00-6.00 a mile range. My whole point revolves around the cheap stuff not ltl sized stuff that pay well. About my truck not being marked my signs are magnetic and come off when I'm not engaged in commerce.
     
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  3. mcgoo422000

    mcgoo422000 Medium Load Member

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    You may want to check your dates? You remember we met over at gary's forum and hotshot hauling.
    Whats funny is to do all this and your MC# is newer than mine? I got mine in 2007 your's is 2009.
     
  4. mcgoo422000

    mcgoo422000 Medium Load Member

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    I never hauled cars. I hate cars I closed my shop pretty much to get away from cars and the owners.
     
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  5. BAYOU

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    Wrong again my new numbers are from when I inc
     
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  6. SHC

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    You need to comprehend that a 10k pound piece is a LTL to us. Obviously not in your operation.... I can stick four 10K pieces on my truck at $1 each and make $4 mile. I see absolutely nothing wrong with a guy putting a LTL on for $1 mile to add revenue such as truck beds, steel plates, or the like. Just because it would be considered a truck load on your trailer, does not mean it is for us. I'm glad you got $2 mile for those loads, but we could have loaded them for $2 mile, then added 2 more loads on and got $4 mile.

    I'm just trying to get the point across that because it doesn't work for you, doesn't mean it wont for someone else. This is a pic of the last LTL i ran from new Orleans up to Denver/Casper, and that load paid me $6.67 for all miles
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  7. mcgoo422000

    mcgoo422000 Medium Load Member

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    I understand exactly what you're saying. but why should you take it for a dollar when you can get two dollars? instead of 4 you'd have 6 0r 8 dollars a mile. Then you could run half as many loads as you do now. It's not going to help me it will only help you. After near seven years I'm used to operating at a disadvantage capacity wise.
    Just cause you have one on that pays the bills why would you want to settle for less? If I ran class 8 I still wouldn't load anything that didn't pay it's on way. When I first started out I was beat ti death with 75-100 a mile stuff cause I didn't know better and made a promise then never agian.
    Adding revenue may add gross income but if it don't pay the way it will lower you overall money per mile, this may seem a moot point when you ask your self would I rather have 5000.00 or 10,000.00 but you have to consider the effort to get amount of money. Then you have to consider the long term effect. which is if you haul fro agent A for a dollar a mile then he will always know he can get you for the cheap price. Now in your case I think your ls leased? you see what it pays total so it may not matter much. I follow my path and you follow yours it's all good.
     
  8. SHC

    SHC Spoiled Rotten Brat O/O

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    The LTL world has it's own guidelines to follow. If I can pick up a single piece, that is light and does not weigh too much, in the same town and going ot the same delivery point as my main load, I see no problems hauling it for $1 mile. The reason it pays $1 mile is because it is considered a LTL. Now some brokers try to sneak pieces off as LTL that weight over 10,000 or take up 20' of deck. In a good LTL operation, that is not an LTL and the rate needs to go up based upon dimensions. You are in a completely different ballgame than we are, as you are very limited on space and weight. As stated, I can scale 50,000 on my flatbed and be legal with 53' of room (48' trailer plus 5' overhang legally). I am guessing you can put about 25,000 legally on your trailer and axle out?? I have thought numerous times about getting a F550 and a 40' float, but can't justify the costs and load availability in my area.

    I can honestly say that I have seen at least a dozen times a shipper send a hot shot set-up away because they just refused to load them. Up here, if you have a dually, you pull campers. i live 30 mins from Elkhart, and I know them campers don't pay worth a crap. I still don't understand why more of them don't pull a flat trailer, put a camper on it going out, and grab a auction car or two coming back??
     
  9. mcgoo422000

    mcgoo422000 Medium Load Member

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    I think you're mistaken. When you Inc. they just re entitled your authority. Picture below is your truck before you Inc.'d the mc number is the same.
    The other is a clip from a site I was wrong about the date by a few months. May have been under someone else's authority
    hotshot.jpg bayou.jpg hotshot clip.JPG
     
  10. mcgoo422000

    mcgoo422000 Medium Load Member

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    I've seen them try to push 40 foot partials was told you have 8 foot left. You ever get pulled in scales at seymour 65S? is that disgusting witch still there? I only load 14K or less no need to work me or the truck to hard. Numbers being all the same I make probably close to what 40 cal posted milage and cpm considered.
    I do ok but my market is limited and I will more than likely never buy a new truck to park at pilot in. achrophobia is the reason I will probably never upgrade to a big boy truck.
     
  11. Cat sdp

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    Just catching up with this thread...... Sorry if this has been covered , and I don't have a dog in this fight.


    Your spread sheet is very nice. However what happens when your new truck is in the shop with warrantee issues? Vacation time and holiday weeks where your not going to get a full week?

    Your maintenance is low, driver health ins...... Mine is $1235 a month!

    I don't see any way you can make it with a new truck @ 1.67 a mile.

    And I've had 2 new ones ........ But maybe I'm wrong!
     
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