Why do we let them get away with it? And why doesn't the government protect drivers

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by lockednloaded, Jun 3, 2013.

  1. Ghost Ryder

    Ghost Ryder Road Train Member

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    Do you think I give a crap if you believe me or not? I make more $$$ than she does. When she makes more than me, I'll have no problem letting her call the financial shots.
     
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  3. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    Touchy.....Touchy......
     
  4. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    i'm curious as to if the o/o's get paid for fueling, pti, unload and reload. who they bill for there hourly labor.

    they don't seem to complain like the company drivers do. LOL.
     
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  5. Cranky Yankee

    Cranky Yankee Cranky old ######

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    I like to take all the crap handed out to drivers
    figure it out and beat them at their own game
    it keeps my last 12 brain cells stimulated
    complaining about companies shippers and receivers wastes those few precious brain cells

    life isn't fair especially those just waiting for it to become that way
     
  6. airforcetoo

    airforcetoo Heavy Load Member

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    In all these cases there is an agreed to wage for a certain amount of miles or work.

    Some by the hour, most by the mile.

    We agree to the term . . .

    I suppose it all started on the very first negotiation between the shipper and the company/driver...

    Shipper: Hey I need you to take my freight to point B

    Company/Driver: Ok what are you going to pay me for this?

    Shipper: I dont know ... what do you usually do?

    Company/Driver: I dunno this is my first time ... but how about we consider the fuel and any expenses I may have getting the freight there?

    Shipper: What do you mean expenses like a hotel room or something?!?!

    Company/Driver: No like wear and tear on my vehicle

    Shipper: Oh OK ... listen now I usually take half a day to get there so how about I give you 20 bucks??

    Company/Driver: Hey 20 bucks wont even cover my fuel mister! I know we are in the 1920s or something but get real

    Shipper: OK then what the heck do you want me to pay you?? what I get paid for this freight?!?

    Company/Driver: Well ... of course not, but at least cover my fuel and then some, for my troubles you know

    Shipper: OK; how much is the fuel?

    Company/Driver: Well it's about 400 miles so ... (insert 1920 fuel cost for 400 miles here)

    Shipper: Ok so how about I just pay you (insert average 1920 cent per mile pay) for these 400 miles???

    Company/Driver: Yeah that seems fair


    Thus began the way we get paid. (of course in my imagination ... )

    CPM is just an industry standard ... I see it many ways being paid cpm; One of them is that this experience will prepare me for being an O/O if I ever wanted to go that route.... although many say its not worth it anymore ... so maybe that's just it ... maybe trucking is not worth it anymore...??

    In my case I like being paid for what I do in the sense that this is not a salary job ... I know ppl on a YEARLY salary that live in their workplace and many times they are getting paid less than their peers who do less, cause sometimes in those jobs you got to make up for the slack...

    so in my case this is the perfect job for me. Pay me for what I do.... though I do understand the OP's argument that we arent being paid for what we do ... but it's all in the eye of the beholder or whatever ... some may argue that pluto is still a planet or that there are no more planets or that the air we breathe is really not air at all but water...

    My point is be happy you're not really breathing water
     
  7. shredfit1

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    If you look at it like this then you also MUST look at it like this also: The boss is the boss because the boss takes the risks... Is the driver's input present, when bidding on a contract load? Can the driver refuse ANY load from the boss? Due to the load not paying what the driver feels the load should pay? If the driver employee, has to worry about the trucks bottom line... Shouldn't the driver get to see the books on all loads hauled... fuel surcharge etc etc. If the driver is expected to be an employee, and do the job given to them... Why on earth should they be concerned about what the boss does for compensation for the load, or demurrage payment etc?
     
  8. Working Class Patriot

    Working Class Patriot Road Train Member

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    We get paid by the load....

    You fuel...You PTI....You have to take "Out-Of-Route Miles".....That's on you....You as an O/O are supposed to be savvy enough to account for those things before you take the load...

    In fact...A smart O/O knows what a load will cost them before they know what they can make with the load....
     
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  9. airforcetoo

    airforcetoo Heavy Load Member

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  10. airforcetoo

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    Hey OP guy! I was thinking today and I came up with some food for thought;

    The average job works 40 hrs a week

    The average worker's salary according to this website http://www.shrm.org/hrdisciplines/compensation/Articles/Pages/CEO-to-Worker-Disparity.aspx is $34,645

    The average cpm is $0.35

    Let's say that you have a trucking job where u work for 8 hours a day, 40 hours and 5 days a week.

    Let's add 15 min pretrips for those 5 days; that comes to one hour and 15 mins out of your 40 hour work week.

    30 min for all 5 days of drop and hook; that's 2 hours and 30 mins

    15 mins
    for fuel up to three times a week; that's 45 mins

    Total is 4 hours and 30 mins

    Leaving 35 hours and 30 mins for drive time

    Lets say you average 50 mph in those 35 hours and 30mins - this would bring us to 1775 miles in a 40 hour work week

    1775 miles
    times $0.35 cpm = $621.25

    $621.25
    times 52 weeks = $32,305

    hmmm ...
     
  11. airforcetoo

    airforcetoo Heavy Load Member

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    ... but even the worst trucker can average 2000 miles a week that when you time that by $0.35 cpm comes to $700 a week times 52 weeks = $36,400
     
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