Gasland

Discussion in 'Oilfield Trucking Forum' started by MP3 > CB, Oct 31, 2013.

  1. Frachand

    Frachand Light Load Member

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    I'll comment on the clean water act. The reason given by the industry for supporting the exemption is that it would require the release and publishing of trade secrets (the chemical make up of their frac fluids). The industry has taken it upon themselves to release and publish what chemicals they use, just not their exact quantities in their "recipes". You can find this info online from several sources. In addition to this, fracing is still regulated at the state level. The states are allowed to set and enforce their own regulations. Also, fracing was around and being performed way before Cheney was involved with Halliburton. The first well was fraced in the 1940's.
     
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  3. MP3 > CB

    MP3 > CB Medium Load Member

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    This link shows the growth of natural gas fracking which has exploded since about 2006: http://www.thegwpf.org/shale-gas-growth-fracking-impressive/

    I guess the question is, does self reporting by the O/G industries replace the mandates of the Clean Water Act? Interesting that NY prohibits fracking.
     
  4. Frachand

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    The reason fracing "exploded" around that time is horizontal drilling. It had nothing to do with Cheney. Does the self reporting replace the CWA? No, but the regulations at the state level do.
     
  5. MP3 > CB

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    You seem to know more about this than most. Can you give us some specifics of your criticisms of Gasland? Wouldn't I love to learn Josh Fox is a Marxist and his purpose is to destroy the oil and gas industries. That's not it, though, is it?
     
  6. Frachand

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    Its been a while since I viewed the film, but I can think of a few reasons off the top of my head. The areas in Colorado where they were finding methane in the well water, the area has had this issue for years before any wells were fraced. It is naturally occurring and the investigation that the state of Colorado did came to the same conclusion.

    The fish kill in a creek in western PA was found to be caused by an algae bloom due to runoff from mining.

    The fact is, nothing in the movie is based on real science.
     
  7. MP3 > CB

    MP3 > CB Medium Load Member

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    interesting
     
  8. Adam121

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    http://motherboard.vice.com/blog/th...-north-dakota-and-nobody-reported-any-of-them

    I don't live in ND (just work there) but if I did, I would be pissed. If anyone thinks that the energy sector is safe or responsible, then they are crazy. I have worked in the oilfield long enough to know that it is a dirty business and companies will try to get away with whatever they can. When I was in CO, the people fought the oil industry about pollution, but it looks like most people in ND don't care (or there aren't enough of them to care). Having money for roads and all that crap is fine, but what about when you can't drink the water or eat anything grown there? I just hate it when people from OK and TX say what people who are there should live with...if you have already destroyed the environment in your state, don't act like everyone else should. MP3>CB, i agree with some of your points, but I still can't reconcile your earlier arguments with this new ones. I am surprised you haven't gone back to MI with the rest of the cheap labor to drive a Doritos truck...j/k.
     
  9. Frachand

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    First of all, when did the environment in OK and TX get destroyed? Secondly, you say you work in the oil field. If your job is contributing to the destruction of ND, why domt you have the integrity to find other work? Or are you just another hypocrite like all of the Eco weenies driving around in gas powered cars, airplanes and using multitudes of other petroleum based products?
     
  10. Adam121

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    I said if I lived in ND I would be pissed, but I don't, so I personally don't care. I am there to make money, that's it. I am not even originally American, so what y'all do with your land is your business (and I'm glad we don't have any oil). I lived in TX, and it was a ########, and anyone who says it is a pristine wilderness is blind. So I drive and use oil, just like you. But I'm sure if your water was bad and there was 20,000 barrels of oil spilled on your land, you would be whining about the environment.
     
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  11. Frachand

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    So do you have any facts to back up your claim that the environment in OK and TX have been destroyed? I like to deal in facts and you have provided nothing but emotionally driven hyperbole. You've revealed yourself to be a real piece of work. If you really believe you are contributing to the destruction of the environment in ND, but say you don't care because you aren't from there. Then you are no better than the oil companies you are trying to villainize.
     
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