getting my feet wet in heavy haul

Discussion in 'Heavy Haul Trucking Forum' started by cpape, Nov 3, 2013.

  1. thirdreef

    thirdreef Medium Load Member

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    you need to go to your states commercial vehicle web site. I know nevada has one. And you need to max out the weights in every state you plan to run in. Like Wyoming , if you don't. They will charge you from 80,000 instead of the max allowable . Some states will make you raise up that states maximum. When I did my licensing it was about 2400 for all states at their max weight. Also if I remember in Iowa the permit is 20 bucks for a permit on a max registered weight.. I may be off on that one. .. As for your permitting .. If your company does it... They need to hire a person who has been a permit person before. .. Or you may be waiting for a good permit over a bad.. Make sure you have the supplemental paper work. Oregon if they haven't changed will give you a ticket for not having it. And they give a lot of information that's not on the permit. California it's like a booklet, and has curfew maps and routing for brown and purple loads. Depending where you run annual permits in some states are paid for after the second load.. Tennessee depending on how much weight you haul has 2 one for up to xx weight for 500 and one that is 1000 for all weight. California annual is 90 .. Nevada 90 Utah 350 if I remember. New Mexico was 350.. Forget Texas and Arizona . And the other states have annuals. But are a low weight.. Not really worth it. Then READ all of the permit.. They can have all sorts of info in them .. Like football Saturday in Nebraska after noon in Lincoln has a curfew until if I remember Sunday morning.. That's hwy 80. Or things like if you have a lift axle that's up while under a heavy load has to be on the ground in Oregon. California has curfew.. But if you are 10 ft or less, any height, or any length in northern calif you can travel in curfew.. I can't remember Southern California. Penn permits once you figure them out are very self explanatory. Utah has a weekend where O/D loads can't travel all weekend for the hunters.. Just things like that.. Try never to get a load that goes over your head, or it may go over your head.. Not a pretty picture. Good luck.. Any questions ask.. And ask a lot. No question is dumb.. But that mistake is stupid. And use the best securement that you can buy. I used to pay over 100 dollars for a grade 100 chain, 20 ft lengths. And the same for a binder.. Your life depends on it.
     
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  3. thirdreef

    thirdreef Medium Load Member

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    I hope they got better in Maryland. I waited a week for a permit about 120,000 14' 2" high 14 wide.. then stuffed in the permit was that I needed to give the highway patrol 48 hour notice.. More time off .. But we ran at night to the West Virginia border. Ohio drags their feet sometimes also.. Be prepared never be in a rush.
     
  4. thirdreef

    thirdreef Medium Load Member

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    An inter bridge is the spacing between is between the rear driver center to the center of your front trailer axle. it can also be middle of steer to front driver center. They used to do that in Colorado. Normally on a permit.. Depending on how much weight is being hauled is center of steer to next axle center.. Then between 2 and 3 and between 3 and 4 and 4 and 5 and if you have a 3 axle trailer between 5and 6. Then they might want the overall length and the trailer length.. Ohhhhhand don't forget when under any permit load that's not a super load. You have to call the entering port at Wyoming before you enter the state.. And they will give you a clearance number like the date and a number like today is the 12th so it would be 12-45 or what ever. If you don't have it they will cite you for it.. All permits in Nebraska no matter what the bypass sign says if scale is open you have to enter.
     
  5. thirdreef

    thirdreef Medium Load Member

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    Washington, ID , mt and the list goes on. In nevada the frost laws aren't for roads like 80, 95, 15 but are on most other roads over 34,000. Funny you can pull trains all year at 9 axles and 129,000.. And then there's Canada frost laws.
     
  6. thirdreef

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    Now if you ever go to the communist state of California.. Your flip isn't recognized and you can't have it on the ground. Also they have the trailers over 48 ft. Must have the axles 40 ft center of tandems to center of king pin.. But I don't think your trailer with the flip up will be.. Unless you have something over the back like a crane boom.. Then you can have your flip down and be longer that 48 ft. ... But only if there is an overhang. Most other states will recognize the flip and you can be longer than the 48 ft without any problem .. Also set your trailer up so you can run nights with a set of portable clearance lights.. Colorado is all night but you have to have 2 flashing lights in the back and at least one on the tractor. On hwy 25 it seams that every little town south of Denver has a curfew.. Big pain during the day..also you need to have extendible mirrors. I like convex over flat as flat rattles to much and distorts. Washington was good at nailing you for no mirrors. Washington wants you to have 2 sets of singles and a set of 3 rails. The extra chains are justin case.. And make sure they are in good shape. But you can't go into a snow area with a permitted load. WHAT? Who knows why. A lot of states you can drive on the snow and ice. Like Montana. As your from Iowa.. This will make sense. Nebraska you can't drive in the rain.. I found out one day why. It didn't rain it poured. Ohhh go to a truck stop and get a sunrise sunset book. That will give you the time that you can start or end at night. And gives you a ton of information.. I have found that plastic flag poles work better than the wood dowels as they have some give to them and won't break as easy.. Google Murray trailers in California and you can see what they do for mirrors, night clearance lights , flags. And at the Iowa 80 truck stop they have height poles for a good price.. I think we could all write a book an all of this stuff that you need to know and need to have. It's going to be a huge learning curve for you.
     
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  7. cpape

    cpape Desk Jockey

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    Thanks for all the information thirdreef. We have been running oversize for years. I understand the complexities with hauling oversize, curfews, running times, lighting, different state regs, etc. I realize there will be a learning curve, and I fully intend to move slowly. We are currently running up to 92K gross weight on 5 axles. At this time we are just making the move from 92K gross to 112K gross.
     
  8. BigJls1

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    west Chester permits does my permits, but they do not understand that When you have IRP for over 80k in the states that will let you, you do not need an overweight permit if the load is only overweight. we are registared for 88,000 in Alabama and the girl tried to argue that we needed overweight permit on 84k (all things legal otherwise), even called the DOT office and the kid said same thing, I did not get the permit, scale house gave us the thumbs up!

    everyday drivers are hauling 105k b trains up and down I15 with no permits, cause they are registered to that. my permit people cannot get it!!

    so be advised when dealing with people with less experience than you they will put out all they know, and sometimes not correct.

    here is an example or how KY does it. nobody can argue with the cab card.


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    BigJls1 Medium Load Member

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    fyi that IRP is for a 7 axle setup. 14k steer
     
  10. thirdreef

    thirdreef Medium Load Member

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    I had the same cab card for my 9 . And the same with my 7 axle with a 20,000 front . That is the max that you will get no matter what size you have. First time I went down to the Commercial DMV and had to well fight with the lady that I could register for those weights. When finished.. She was ready for the sanatorium for a little rest. Funny thing I got everything out of the website for the state.. And all of the max weights.
     
  11. cpape

    cpape Desk Jockey

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    If I understand things correctly, you would still need permits when you exceed the legal axle weights. So for most loads we will still need permits anyway.
     
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