so, you think your safe with the elog and hos.

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by snowwy, Mar 28, 2014.

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  1. Meltom

    Meltom Road Train Member

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    It all comes down to personal responsibility and ownership. I don't trust teachers 100% and my mom is the superintendent of schools for my district. So I do extra work to make sure my kids aren't 'f ups.

    As for elogs making things easier I fully agree. To be totally fair they make it easier for the driver to stay compliant because the information is right there in front of them and no math is required. For anyone that says it forces drivers to run while tired, it doesn't. You're an adult, act like one. Is your dispatcher threatening your job? Who gives a crap, do what's right and then find a new job. I don't care what your situation is, right it right, wrong is wrong. Figure out what your level of acceptance is and deal with it.
     
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  3. EZX1100

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    especially of the people who make the HOS are dumber than a box of rocks, but they get a bunch of sheeple to go along wiith their ineptness

    make the "thinking man" the criminal and the "docile man" the hero for allowing others to control his livelihood
     
  4. Meltom

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    The more they tweak the regs the less they make sense. Anyone who proposes a change to the HOS should have to sit their backside in a truck for at least a week. You'll gain an appreciation for how rigid they can be, and why making them more complicated is not the answer. There isn't a quick fix for safety related issues, that much is for certain. I'm not opposed to having rules, but a little breathing room wouldn't be the end of the world. Swift and severe consequences for blatant unsafe actions might be a better solution, but in our touchy feely world everyone is worried about making someone feel bad. If you're unsafe there is no room for you in the industry, in my opinion.
     
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  5. snowwy

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    i think the practice of team driving is the most unsafe and shouldn't be allowed in the industry.
     
  6. TLeaHeart

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    agreed, but how do you change it when the people making these rules are lifetime bureaucrats, that the people lives they affect have no recourse.
     
  7. EZX1100

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    its up to the people who are victims of their tyranny to stand up

    otherwise, there is more tyranny coming around the corner
     
  8. TLeaHeart

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    okay, and how do the people stand up and get the ridiculous rules stopped and overturned? Saying stand up to them is the easy part, what actions is it going to take? What recourse does the citizen have against all the alphabet soup agencies?
     
  9. Cowpie1

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    The election booth. It is common knowledge that once a person gets into congress, they stand a 98% chance of always getting reelected to that office. Primarily because most folks don't even pay any attention or just vote the straight party ballot. Half the people cannot even tell you who is the vice president, and most cannot tell you who their congressman or senators are. Half the country doesn't vote, and the half that do vote, actually vote for folks that are set on encouraging the alphabet soup agencies to do what they do. Essentially, you have almost 3/4 of the country that either passively or actively want this stuff that comes out of government. They are quite comfortable with the Facist direction the government is going. This is the primary reason I really don't take it seriously when someone says "thank you for your service" when they find out I was in the Army, because I sure didn't take an oath to support this pile of stuff coming out of both federal and state agencies.

    Seems to be lost on both the citizenry and the political class, that these agencies can only do what they do at the discretion of the congress. All it takes is congress restricting agencies from becoming too intrusive. The congress can even restrict a court from having jurisdiction over a regulation or law! Just in Obamacare, there are over 17 instances where the congress placed a clause that states the courts do not have jurisdiction to review that aspect of the law. Vet's can't sue for VA health care, because the congress way back when removed court jurisdiction over that part of the regulations.

    So, the election booth is the only way the average citizen can do anything. But given the mindset of most of the citizenry, I am not optimistic. The interesting thing is, that this country was founded on a bottom up philosophy rather than a top down one. But most folks focus on the President or national legislators. Hardly anyone pays any attention to state level politics, and that is where the real power is to fight federal intrusion in our lives. States have more leverage with the Feds than the individual citizen. You want to more effectively fight what federal agencies do, then get more involved in state elections where you can more effectively make a difference and get the power of the state's citizens unified to take on the Federal bureaucracy.
     
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  10. AfroBat

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    Seems like you are pointing the finger at drivers when in fact over 70% of those accidents involving big rigs were the fault of the automobile driver not the truck driver.
    But of course we know the government would never blame the poor ol automobile driver and they still refuse to admit that the e log is strictly to protect the corporation not the driver.
     
  11. AfroBat

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    Yes the philosophy is true but it was the King of England and or the bankers that bank rolled Christopher Columbus and from what I heard on shortwave radio the debt was never paid back and we still owe England to this very day.
     
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