What do you think mandatory detention pay would do to owner operators

Foxcover · May 30, 2014

Don't really see a problem with an appointment if your running legal. If they require a later time than you would like eg: deliver in three days but it's a two day drive, then add an extra $1000 into the price for your day waiting on them! If you turn negitave things into a positive earning shippers will catch on pretty fast and not hold you up as it will cost them money!
Nobodys time in America is free except for truckers who don't know any better.

blessedman said: ↑

I do NOT want the government getting involved more than they already are.

If shippers and receivers are required by law to pay detention then all loads will be required to deliver by appointment only. This would slow down things a lot.

I try to book loads that do not require appointments when possible. Most of the time I am in and out of the shipper/receiver in one to two hours, sometimes less.

I can arrive when it works best for maximizing my schedule without wasting time waiting for my appointment.

Of course I call the receiver well beforehand to let them know when I will arrive and work with them if there is a need for scheduling.

This works much better than appointments. Most of my loads are direct with the shipper. It gets to be a lot more of a problem when dealing with a broker. Many times they will tell me there is no appointment needed when there is or require an appointment when the shipper/receiver does not.
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BAYOU · May 30, 2014

Have it there way trucking will be 8-5 m-f and everyone will make $550 a week.

rank · May 31, 2014

BAYOU HOTSHOT said: ↑

Just got through reading this article and my blood pressure went through the roof!!!! Though the provision for reforming driver compensation practices by requiring carriers to pay a minimum hourly wage for driver detention was not included in the first Congressional draft of a highway bill out of the chute, following the Obama administrations nod to the notion in its own draft bill language, debate has intensified among owner-operators and small fleet owners over just whether the federal government ought to be involved in detention at all. Commenting over on the Overdrives Trucking Pro LinkedIn group and highlighted in part in this piece, owner-operator William McKelvie worried that a mandate for a minimum wage for detention would cut down the considerably higher rates hes already getting, as did others like Chattanooga, Tenn.-based small fleet owner Michael Goodman. I suggest that any carrier who continually allows shippers to use their trucks to sit without proper compensation should stop doing business with those shippers, Goodman wrote. That would have more impact than anything the feds can do. I dont need or want the government to get more involved in my business. All it would do is cost carriers revenue and expand an already bloated government agency. That will result in yet another tax to pay for the oversight.

In some ways mirroring such viewpoints over on the Team Run Smart site was Overdrive 2007 Owner-Operator of the Year Henry Albert, longtime independent and former small fleet owner. In this blog post, Albert makes a nuanced argument for detentions current status as a business decision. He describes, like Goodman, making the decision to not do business with a shipper after getting hit by long, inadquately compensated load/unload periods:

He was responding there in part to owner-operator Jeff Clark, who is on the contrary passionate about the need for a mandated minimum in detention pay, regardless of market forces. Read his full Case for mandatory detention pay here, which in part stems from the notion that when something of value is free it will eventually be wasted. When anything of value is wasted, overall efficiency is sacrificed.
Asked to respond to criticism from other operators on grounds that putting the mandate for detention pay on carriers just adds another stress to small businesses in an already over-regulated/stressed environment, Clark acknowledges the controversial nature of his stand. It is the nature of the trucker to want to be left alone, he says, to see all government regulation as a negative. We are used to government regulating against us.

But, he adds, the current state of affairs on detention harms small-business truckers more than the mega-carriers. The small-business trucker is more apt to deal with a shipper one time. If that shipper detains that driver a long time it is difficult for that driver to collect detention. Making it a civil penalty to not pay detention would make it easier to collect. The small-business trucker may never go back [to the shipper] again. I wouldnt. The problem for us small-business truckers is the number of small-business truckers. A bad shipper has enough carriers to use a different carrier every day for eternity.

I'm sorry but I get $50 $75or even $100/ hour some times depending on the customer, I will not sit in a pipe yard for $7.50 an hour I burn that in fuel alone. Here we go again one size fits all approach! Could you imagine sitting at a customer for 10 hours only to be compensated $75.... What about potential? What about layover pay? I get $350-$500 just for that but customers are going to say why should we pay that much when you can sit here all day long for $75? This is just crazy I don't know what to say......

....... http://www.overdriveonline.com/the-...05-30-2014&utm_campaign=OVD&ust_id=6698c59a10
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This doesn't apply to you Bayou. Unless you want to pay yourself an hourly wage.

BAYOU · May 31, 2014

rank said: ↑

This doesn't apply to you Bayou. Unless you want to pay yourself an hourly wage.
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You missed the point once they play that card it's all down here every broker that owns trucks are going to change what they pay us now....

trees · May 31, 2014

The government can only compel an employer to compensate an employee. The regulations would only affect employers in regards to their employees.

This has nothing to do with us O/O's.

Dr_Fandango44 · Jun 1, 2014

BAYOU HOTSHOT said: ↑

Just got through reading this article and my blood pressure went through the roof!!!! Though the provision for reforming driver compensation practices by requiring carriers to pay a minimum hourly wage for driver detention was not included in the first Congressional draft of a highway bill out of the chute, following the Obama administrations nod to the notion in its own draft bill language, debate has intensified among owner-operators and small fleet owners over just whether the federal government ought to be involved in detention at all. Commenting over on the Overdrives Trucking Pro LinkedIn group and highlighted in part in this piece, owner-operator William McKelvie worried that a mandate for a minimum wage for detention would cut down the considerably higher rates hes already getting, as did others like Chattanooga, Tenn.-based small fleet owner Michael Goodman. I suggest that any carrier who continually allows shippers to use their trucks to sit without proper compensation should stop doing business with those shippers, Goodman wrote. That would have more impact than anything the feds can do. I dont need or want the government to get more involved in my business. All it would do is cost carriers revenue and expand an already bloated government agency. That will result in yet another tax to pay for the oversight.

In some ways mirroring such viewpoints over on the Team Run Smart site was Overdrive 2007 Owner-Operator of the Year Henry Albert, longtime independent and former small fleet owner. In this blog post, Albert makes a nuanced argument for detentions current status as a business decision. He describes, like Goodman, making the decision to not do business with a shipper after getting hit by long, inadquately compensated load/unload periods:

He was responding there in part to owner-operator Jeff Clark, who is on the contrary passionate about the need for a mandated minimum in detention pay, regardless of market forces. Read his full Case for mandatory detention pay here, which in part stems from the notion that when something of value is free it will eventually be wasted. When anything of value is wasted, overall efficiency is sacrificed.
Asked to respond to criticism from other operators on grounds that putting the mandate for detention pay on carriers just adds another stress to small businesses in an already over-regulated/stressed environment, Clark acknowledges the controversial nature of his stand. It is the nature of the trucker to want to be left alone, he says, to see all government regulation as a negative. We are used to government regulating against us.

But, he adds, the current state of affairs on detention harms small-business truckers more than the mega-carriers. The small-business trucker is more apt to deal with a shipper one time. If that shipper detains that driver a long time it is difficult for that driver to collect detention. Making it a civil penalty to not pay detention would make it easier to collect. The small-business trucker may never go back [to the shipper] again. I wouldnt. The problem for us small-business truckers is the number of small-business truckers. A bad shipper has enough carriers to use a different carrier every day for eternity.

I'm sorry but I get $50 $75or even $100/ hour some times depending on the customer, I will not sit in a pipe yard for $7.50 an hour I burn that in fuel alone. Here we go again one size fits all approach! Could you imagine sitting at a customer for 10 hours only to be compensated $75.... What about potential? What about layover pay? I get $350-$500 just for that but customers are going to say why should we pay that much when you can sit here all day long for $75? This is just crazy I don't know what to say......

....... http://www.overdriveonline.com/the-...05-30-2014&utm_campaign=OVD&ust_id=6698c59a10
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Here we go again.....more Govt meddling and interference without any kind of thought. These guys as usual have absolutely no clue about what they're doing. Why don't they just leave it alone. We need more regulation like we need a hole in the head. Janet "the ferret" Ferro is hell bent in doing great damage to the trucking industry as it is with her whacky rules. Many of us get detention pay as the moment and if anyone should pay up, it's either the shipper or receivers. It's not the carriers fault at all. Can we just enjoy the rest of the year without having to hear from those clowns in DC. Wishful thinking perhaps.

Semi Crazy · Jun 1, 2014

trees said: ↑

The government can only compel an employer to compensate an employee. The regulations would only affect employers in regards to their employees.

This has nothing to do with us O/O's.
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I agree but they are wanting shippers to pay, not carriers. The push should be for carriers to pay drivers for all on-duty time, not for shippers to pay minimum wage for detention.

Drivers aren't employees of the shippers.

rank · Jun 1, 2014

BAYOU HOTSHOT said: ↑

You missed the point once they play that card it's all down here every broker that owns trucks are going to change what they pay us now....
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I don't get why you say that. What does a minimum driver pay requirement have to do with what I charge for my equipment and my driver?

Sly Fox · Jun 2, 2014

Minimum is minimum. The problem is, $7.50/hr doesn't cover other costs. LOST revenue. Sure, the driver gets his pocket change, but the owner of the truck gets bent over.

2 hrs, or the driver gets to keep the product. THAT would speed them up.

Ukumfe · Jun 2, 2014

Yet another problem would be, what pay scale would get used? State or Federal? The state the carrier is based out of, or the state your in picking up or delivering in? I read an article that Seattle is looking to up the min wage to $15, they are a city inside a state, how would it apply there? The whole thing is assinine!!

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