Warnings on your CSA score

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Rigbuilder, May 13, 2014.

  1. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    For the last time, yes it does. CHECK THE FMCSA METHODOLOGY!

    Your score is what's important, not a single violation.
     
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  3. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    Again you're only using half of the formula which I've posted links to (the DRIVER SMS) and even posted the actual formula itself straight from the PDF.
     
  4. TLeaHeart

    TLeaHeart Road Train Member

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    sorry you made changes to confuse, a government trick

    severity weight 6 time weight 3 = 18
    Time weight of relevant inspections = 6

    Score = 3

    Severity weight 6 time weight 2 = 12
    Time weight of relevant inspections = 5 (2 for the violation inspection, 3 for recent clean inspection) you changed the divisor actual 12/6 = 2 time reduced the ONE violation score

    Score = 2.4

    Severity weight 6 time weight 1 = 6
    Time weight of relevant inspections = 4 (1 for the violation inspection, 3 for recent clean inspection) 6/6 =1 single violation

    Score = 1.5

    This is all basic grade school math.

    simple math a single violation using your example

    6 points for violation times 3 = 18... only one inspection.....

    6 points for violation times 2 = 12... no additional inspections...

    6 points for violation times 1 =1 ... no addition inspections...


    time does reduce the point total, even more than you claim clean inspections do.....
     
  5. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    You're using the wrong formulas:

    csa.fmcsa.dot.gov/Documents/Driver_SMSMethodology.pdf
     
  6. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    you're not dividing by the time weight of relevant inspections. And again with the word points....
     
  7. TLeaHeart

    TLeaHeart Road Train Member

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    and the DRIVER SMS is ONLY used to calculate the carriers final score, and internally during company audits. The driver SMS has NOTHING to do with the report the driver and companies see about a single driver..

    You are taking details out of context, from a very long government report... which is about one thing, how the Safety score for the carriers is determined.

    The report on a single driver, the PSP, there is ONLY one way to reduce a single drivers violations, and that is time.... just like a motor vehicle report... only time improves the report with no further violations...
     
  8. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    The following BASICs divide by the time weight of relevant inspections (clean inspections bring down your score) in the DRIVER SMS:


    Vehicle Maintenance
    HM compliance
    HOS compliance
    Driver fitness

    The following BASICs do NOT divide by the time weight of relevant inspections in the DRIVER SMS:

    Unsafe driving
    Crash indicator
    Controlled substances

    This is for obvious reasons.
     
  9. allan5oh

    allan5oh Road Train Member

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    And how is the "score" calculated on the PSP, is there even one? The driver SMS is calculated separately from the carrier one. The driver SMS is not used to calculate the carriers score.

    If a carrier is strictly going by the violations on the PSP, not the clean inspections, that's where the problem is and that's what I brought up before. Even worse is if they're just adding up the numbers "no driver you have 45 points we can't hire you". This is complete negligence of how FMCSA uses the data to calculate scores (which is what the carrier SHOULD be worried about).

    edit : So what you're saying is a carrier looks at a PSP and starts using the words "score" and "points" when they shouldn't be? All they see is severity weight and time weight.
     
  10. TLeaHeart

    TLeaHeart Road Train Member

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    one inspection, get no more inspections for the next 3 years...
    one violation
    6 points assigned for the violation....

    6x3x1/1= 18

    6x2x1/1 = 12

    6x1x1/1 =6

    Simple math....

    it is you who is confused.
     
  11. TLeaHeart

    TLeaHeart Road Train Member

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    and again that ONLY applies to the carriers score.... and internally used data for audits...

    has NOTHING to do with the PSP....
     
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