so, you think your safe with the elog and hos.

again, we all rally about government tyranny, while at the same time, submitting to its tyranny

we work in a fluid industry, concrete rules do not apply

mr walmart was legal and deadly, yet if i sleep 9hrs and drive, i am safe but illegal

go figure

 

As it stands now with the NTSB preliminary report, he was legal on his logs. Backed up by an EOBR.

So if he was racing the clock, where does that leave the argument? The HOS

You made my point. Thank You.

 

my point was the rat in his truck,, not the HOS

fighting against tyrannical laws is human nature, unless you are a sheeple

so now the congress wants to force all of you into compliance, and too many of us are too willing to go to slaughter, being first in line

too chicken to strike, or unionize or even stand up for ourselves, so we label our fellow drivers as liars and cheats, for doing nothing wrong, other than working around laws that YOU even admit are harmful

so the government doesnt have to do anything but send a bunch of you folks out parroting their line, and their job is done

 

I love how ELOG users complain about paper log users being cheaters and liars... how many times has an IT person, Driver Manager, dispatcher, etc... "revised" (read: CHEATED), your ELOG records? I've PERSONALLY seen dozens of examples of such "compliance". The ELOG COMBINED with the rigid 14 hour rule, is a serious problem... just like Gas, by itself, isn't all that deadly... COMBINE a 5 gallon can of it with an irresponsible 5 year old holding a book of matches... well.... suddenly... DIFFERENT situation... NO, a DEVICE can't MAKE you do anything... however, it sure can put the pressure on! I have yet to have an ELOGGER tell me that when he ran out of hours in the middle of a 4 hour traffic jam, that he shut down in the middle lane of the interstate for his 10-hour break... Use some sense in your arguments already! Sheesh!

 

The "box" doesn't make you stop the truck any more than paper does. And "big brother" isn't going to "ding" you if you go over on the box, because big brother isn't watching! At least not unless you get yourself into something like that Walmart driver did, then they look. And in 395.2 of the regs, the driver can go over the 11 if unforeseen traffic or weather conditions cause a problem and the driver could have normally completed the run or gotten to a parking area and if those conditions were unforeseen. I have gone over the 11 on E-logs for these situations a few times, made a note in the logs reflecting that, and there has never been an issue. And they were not tampered with by anyone at the carrier. I have all the e-logs on my personal computer, downloaded from Qualcomm, from the first day of going on e-logs two and a half years ago. Had my records selected for audit when DOT did a random check at the carrier, and nary an issue. This isn't rocket science, but you do have to use a little bit of brain capacity. There is 14 hours in which to play around with the 11 driving hours. Some make it sound like there is only 11 hour in total to work with. And if the 14 is going to be an issue, you are going to know about it long before you get to the end of the 14, so communicate that to who you have to and adjust accordingly.

There is no reason to be racing the clock with an e-log any more than on paper. And this idea that all of a sudden with e-log, that folks are having to race the clock. I have been seeing the very same thing for well over 3 decades, long before the E-log thing even was a blip on the radar. Anyone remember the national 55 speed limit? And what were trucks doing then? Racing around like they had to be somewhere yesterday. Even songs and movies made about it. Ever hear of the Monfort lane? And there was no e-logs. I find it fascinating that it is glamorized to race around like your hair is on fire back in the day, but demonized if one has an e-log in the truck now. Drivers will come up with a million excuses why they need to run with the peddle against the firewall. As I did on paper, I run the same on e-log. Nothing has changed. I generally run between 62 and 65 mph, even though the truck will do 100. I see no reason to change anything. I get to where I need to be, on time, and if a problem were to crop up, I know how to call and let folks know and adjust.

 

And yet, I can't tell you how many times I've hollered on the CB for a guy to slow down in a truck stop parking area only to be told: "I'm on Elogs, I gotta be parked in 3 minutes or I'm in violation" or words to that effect... nonetheless, just because YOUR carrier doesn't falsify Elogs, doesn't mean other carriers (Like Werner whose logs I've SEEN with my own 2 peepers), abstain from such activity... THOSE are the guys who keep whining that the playing field needs to be "leveled" in THEIR favor.... If you run Elogs HONESTLY, then hooray for you... I run Paper HONESTLY... hooray for ME. However, as an independent running his own numbers, I don't need another "investment" and monthly fee so that Werner doesn't feel threatened by the likes of ME. ELOGS are a business decision made by those carriers who want to micro-manage their drivers and now want to impose the cost burden of that business CHOICE upon those of us who have no need or desire to micro-manage ourselves... I run an average of 2000-2500 miles a week, do quite well with that and never run into expiring clock issues... SO... WHY should I be required to spend thousands of $$$$ to make WERNER happy??? xxxx them!

 

First off, if you are only running one truck, it is no where near "thousands of dollars", secondly, let's say that for just one moment YOU were that Wal Mart driver, heading into a court battle, that may involve jail time, would you feel more comfortable KNOWING that the E-Logs backed up everything you did and where you were, TO THE MINUTE, undisputable, or would you rather be sweating it out on the stand being questioned about EVERY EXACT minute of EVERY EXACT stop noted on your logs?

Believe me when I tell you, in THAT situation, you would be GLAD you had Elogs. This world has changed and will continue to change quickly going forward, I want to protect what I have worked for to the best of my ability.

 

Actually, in truth... the ELOG isn't going to save that driver... even if the Van Limo cut in front of him and caused the wreck (just a theory, mind you)... ELOGS do NOT save the driver... ALL accidents go on the records of both, regardless of fault... being blameless just means you still get blamed! This is the REALITY not the fantasy world of the pro-ELoggers... nonetheless, if I want to take that on myself and NOT use Elogs, that's on ME... and, as for THOUSANDS of dollars, I have done the research.... $ 3678.95 for the FIRST year... Then a measly $175 per month after THAT... Yes, THOUSANDS of wasted dollars...

 

Well then your in depth look into Elog cost matches your ability to see the handwriting on the wall, my WHOLE FLEET 9 trucks/trailers on E-logs was less than 8,000 for the first year, that included, setup, activation, 9 tablets, WiFi data links for all the trucks, AND the data and service charge for ALL the trucks for the year.

Furthermore, If I had NOT gone to Elogs I would of had to hire another office person to keep up with the paperwork, so mister business man, what made more sense a 8,000 a year, or 30,000 a year?

Your turn.

 

But but but.... I wanted a turn.