Support Thread for the TND 500, TND 700 or future Rand McNally products. (part two)

Discussion in 'Trucking Electronics, Gadgets and Software Forum' started by Mark Kling, Jul 7, 2014.

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  1. BKayrac

    BKayrac Light Load Member

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    Yeah that's the true location, jump off of the interstate at fesslers, and couple of turns and there.... The 720 current released maps want to run you into the downtown
     
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  3. jmroadhog

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    I have been saying all along that there are major problems with the routing on these units. I have run into numerous insane routing it's like the value they put to some of the roads is completely wrong thereby routing you on roads you don't need to be on. Have had this problem since the TND-700 and is still going on. Don't know about the new units as have only had the 700 and 720 but if the same algorithms are used in the 730 units it will be as wonky and frustrating as before.
     
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  4. BKayrac

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    No, the 720 actually has a different location. I actually find the 720 far superior to the garmin dezl routing wise, you can change your preferences to prefer freeways, or avoid small roads to control it. Usually you can get a reasonable route that makes sense compared to the atlas
     
  5. Mark Kling

    Mark Kling Technology Contributor

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    From a Prior thread - why you sometimes get odd routing..


    When you drive you see a road be it concrete, asphalt, or dirt, you are seeing just the surface of the road you are on.

    Maps simply cannot see what you physically are on. They are build into a Database which then are broken down into DCA's or regions. This may span across one state or many. In these DCA's the maps are broken down into segments. These segments are given many variables. These variables define who/what/how big/HazMat/STAA/Non-STAA and many more variables.

    The roads are also given a "cost factor". This "cost factor" will determine if road A is better than road B for routing. In my area I have a "cost factor" of a road that is "0" which is an unknown. You will never be routed on a "0" road, but once I pass that segment then the TND does recalculate. It tries to pick several side roads that are a better cost factor than I am on, not the most direct way, but again it has to go by what is has set for in the parameters of the DB.

    Any road segment is also broken down into sides of the road. One side may have different variables than the side you are on.

    Now you add the Truck settings to the factor. When the router starts its "thinking" process it has to go by a set of instructions. These router instructions are tweaked for the best routing for all parts of the country. You can tweak the router to the East coast, but now routing will be indetermined for the West Coast. The router has to have a happy medium.

    So based upon what your settings are and the physical location you are at, the router now determines a legal truck route since you are in truck mode. If you were in car mode the router would route you based upon what the parameters are in the segments.

    Before on shortest route you used to be routed up a ramp then back to the freeway if you were in a curve. To a computer this is the shortest route. Does it make sense? Nope. So by adjusting the Cost Factor to make the ramp more "expensive" than the freeway, it now keeps you on the freeway.

    Maps are not 100%. Cities, county's, and states change or modify roads or restrictions daily. Getting this info back to the source takes time and the source takes time to make the changes. Maps are not compiled daily. Due to the type of testing RM does before releasing a set of maps takes time.

    It does not matter if you see 1 or 100 trucks on a side road. This does not mean it is a legal route for STAA or Non-STAA. Many cities, county's and states do not post signs for all restrictions or truck routes.

    Trucks are allowed to go 1 mile off any interstate for pickup/delivery. Anything beyond that you have to go by what is legal or not legal.

    Many places you go were build in prior years when Cab Overs and 48' trailers were the norm. Roads do not get upgraded all the time. This costs money, so the city's and county's have allowed STAA vehicles (53'/102") to make local deliveries. You will see signs showing local deliveries only, no thru truck routing. This usually means you are on a Non-STAA route. The TND does not see the sign nor know of it physical presence. You can change your Truck settings to 48'/96" and this will allow the router to now make a more informed decision.

    If you don't like the route given, simply take the route you would like. The TND along with any other GPS will adjust the route. But, be aware you may be on a non legal truck route for your settings.

    A rule of thumb. If it does not route you by your settings, then change to car mode. If it routes you, then it is a truck setting or restriction that is in play. If it does not route you then it is a map issue. Post it on the support thread and I will research it.

    Not are restrictions in place are current. You may have come across a restriction that has been lifted. Based upon your set of maps you may see the restriction, but it may have been corrected in later maps. Not everyone updates the maps yearly. At truck shows I still see T5B's coming in. They are at least 5 years behind on the map set.

    So all in all the TND is simply a computer going by a set of instructions and using the truck settings you have determined will try to find a truck legal route based upon the data in the segments of the map set.

    Thanks,
    Mark
     
  6. Shovelhead78

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    Hello Mark. I currently use the TND 720 and like it however, I can't seem to figure out how to get my address book in alphabetical order. Can you help me with this? Sorry if you have already answered this question. I admit I didn't want to read thru the whole thread. However, if you have a page number or something, I'll be happy to head in that direction. Thanx for your help.
     
  7. jmroadhog

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    I have tried the prefer freeways on certain routes and has added 1000 miles to the route. I'm not new to the RM gps units, have been using them for 4 yrs and am telling you there is a problem with the way they route.
     
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  8. jmroadhog

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    for $400 a pop we expect the latest technology and information and if RM can't give that to us it should be disclaimed right on the box that the information contained in this unit could be 1-2-3- years behind actual data required to be accurate at your present location or along your route .
     
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  9. GreenMonster9669

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    If this is the place where we submit features we'd like to see, heres one that jumped out at me after a week of being a user. The option to keep the clock set on my home time zone no matter where I am.
     
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  10. Mark Kling

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    It should list them in A-Z order. What is not showing in A-Z order?

    Thanks,
    Mark
     
  11. Mark Kling

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    On the map screen, on the left, click on the "green" speed indicator. It will take you to the DashBoard. Your hometime is showing there. Just not enough room on the map screen to put everything everybody wants, so RM has to put some items on other screens that can be accessed from the Map screen.

    Thanks,
    Mark
     
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