HAzmat placard fell off on-route after my on-route inspection ,how am I getting in

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  1. ironpony

    ironpony Road Train Member

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    Someone had trouble in tape and scissors class...
     
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  3. TLeaHeart

    TLeaHeart Road Train Member

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    Get yourself a 12 volt hair dryer, or window defroster, warm the vinyl sticker, and off it comes with ease.
     
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  4. GasHauler

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    Please let me know where it says that? I can just see some shippers and what they would say.

    To answer the OP's question is simple. Placards are a means of communication to first responders and the people that try to save the environment if needed. Far fetched as it might be there could be a scenario where if you're in a jam that side of the truck is the only side that is exposed to people that are trying to help . Then they go about their general procedures thinking there is nothing to harm them or the surrounding area when there might be a load that could be very hazardous. Big problem and big law suit not to mention jail time if someone is injured or worse.

    For some, this is a major problem while others say oh well it just flew off. I'm not saying your just blowing this off, I'm just trying to shed some light on the other side and I understand how this can happen. It's absolutely no fault of yours but you get blamed no matter what. The best advice I could give other than what has been given is to stay cool and record everything by timeline that happen. Keep a even attitude (while you take it you know where ) and tell the authorities s*** happens. Good luck.
     
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  5. DrtyDiesel

    DrtyDiesel Road Train Member

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    That's what i was wondering too. I couldn't imagine walking into the rack office asking for a placard. I'd probably get locked out for 3 days lol
     
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    Two extra at the maximum, 4 or 5 is just wasteful,, unless you are really careless
     
  7. TLeaHeart

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    [h=3]Question:[/h] Is the shipper required to provide placards for a transportation of a hazardous material?
    [h=3]Answer:[/h] Yes. 49CFR172.506 states that the person offering a hazardous material for transportation by highway shall provide the placards. However, it is a violation for the motor carrier to transport the load until the proper placards are in place.

    § 172.506 Providing and affixing placards: Highway. (a) Each person offering a motor carrier a hazardous material for transportation by highway shall provide to the motor carrier the required placards for the material being offered prior to or at the same time the material is offered for transportation, unless the carrier's motor vehicle is already placarded for the material as required by this subpart.
    (1) No motor carrier may transport a hazardous material in a motor vehicle, unless the placards required for the hazardous material are affixed thereto as required by this subpart.
     
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  8. david123abc

    david123abc Heavy Load Member

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    I doubt they have to give you extras, but the shipper is required to provide placards for the vehicle. I'm assuming because you haul gas and topload, you fall in the exception, but if you showed up with a clean trailer and no placards, they would be required to provide them. I loaded sodium hydrosulfide at a refinery in KY a few months ago that didn't have placards and seemed dumbfounded over the fact that we don't provide our own. In the end, they had to print and laminate some for me.

    Lol, treed
     
  9. TLeaHeart

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    the shipper is required to provide enough placards to ship the product, no where by law must they provide any extras.
     
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  10. DrtyDiesel

    DrtyDiesel Road Train Member

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    Though it says nothing about providing extras (edit: just saw your post above, so nevermind)

    We side load, top loading fuel is no longer done, at least with any of the places we load out of.



    What I'm saying is the racks we go to, we load ourselves. Some of the racks are unmanned. No on is there but you, therefore no way of getting placards.



    We recently started running chemicals, we don't use the stick on placards so we use the thick vinyl ones you put in the holder with the clip. The shipper would have provided the sticky ones so we took our own there since we don't use the stick on ones.

    I wish we had the placards that are permanent, like the ones that have 4 clips with the hinge in the middle to flip back and forth between placards. Instead we just leave gas placards in for gas or diesel. Only time we change placards is when we haul E85 or jet fuel.
     
  11. david123abc

    david123abc Heavy Load Member

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    By toploading, I mean you reload the same product without washing.

    I guess maybe the way the law is interpreted in your scenario, you guys may be considered the shipper and therefore required to provide placards. Gas seems to be a completely different ballgame than chemicals in that regard.

    I don't know why more companies don't use the permanent metal ones, but I agree, they'd be nice.
     
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