Leased to a company vs. Own Authority?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by Preacher Man, Feb 11, 2015.

  1. Preacher Man

    Preacher Man Road Train Member

    2,930
    2,776
    May 31, 2008
    Mason City, IL
    0
    I have been with Landstar since last September and have no real issue with them, although some of the agents I would love to ring their necks at times. So this is not about bashing them, or telling everyone I made the biggest mistake of my life type thread. This is about business and nothing more. The short question is does Landstar provide enough value to make it worth paying them 28% of my annual revenue?

    Here is the crux of this thread. We are building our relationships with brokers, figuring out where, when and how long to run and getting used to nothing but live load and unload. This is a good spot for us right now, but I am looking towards the future. I would like to add drivers and I'm looking at the money I pay Landstar (or any company) for the benefit of running under their authority. I have to ask if I did the exact same thing, but under my own authority would I be better off? Don't worry, I make my own decisions and I'm not doing anything hastily. I'm at the beginning of my research and I'm just looking for opinions and discussion from drivers/owners who have been there, done that.
     
  2. Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.

  3. Old Man

    Old Man Road Train Member

    4,597
    13,470
    Apr 3, 2009
    Oklahoma City, OK
    0
    You do realize that brokers will be taking 10 -25% off the top. You are not going to gain the full 28%.

    If you go on your own it will be 100% live load and unload unless you provide a trailer pool.
     
  4. rollin coal

    rollin coal Road Train Member

    13,298
    26,866
    Mar 29, 2008
    TN
    0
    There's good value in the right lease Landstar or otherwise. I know they get bashed for the cut they take but I also know contractors who are successful there and end up averaging the same or even more than many guys with their own authority. Which coupled with lower expenses, less paperwork, more than makes up for the cut. A friend of mine had his lease termed there several weeks ago for something minor yet he still talks good about them and talks of going back to them in another year. That said maybe if you manage money well and have the necessary capital or access to credit your own authority would be the way to go.

    It's not for everyone. Some will say you need to move completely away from brokers under your own numbers which I think is counter productive. I believe a balanced mix of direct and brokered is the best. With the brokers you can always take advantage of market conditions whereas direct customers get miffed over such actions. Whatever you decide the most important impact on your profits is always going to be how poorly or well you determine the rates you're working for and how well you learn your lanes. The percentage that comes off the top from anyone you lease to is irrelevant if you are in full control of your operation.
     
  5. FLATBED

    FLATBED Road Train Member

    A lot knock the % LS takes for doing what they do but they fail to realize its going to cost them $ to do it for themselves as well. I did my stint with LS was a good stepping stone to going out on my own .
     
  6. fortycalglock

    fortycalglock Road Train Member

    6,155
    6,584
    Jun 25, 2011
    Tourist Town, FL
    0
    I'll give you my take, as I've done both, just in reverse order. For a single truck operation, unless your doing a very tight niche operation, you are going to be better off leased to a carrier like Landstar. You get all of the benefits of your own authority without the downside. When you start adding drivers is where it gets trickier. LS sucks for getting driver approval in a timely basis. A potential hire could slip right through your hands when they take 3-4 weeks to vet them.
    As far as LS percentage, brokers are going to take a good chunk that you will never see. That lucrative load will sell for the same as a normal load. CHRW's average margin, revenue vs. sales is 20%. Add in insurance which will be at least $500 a month more than you're paying for unladen now, quick pay/factor, load boards and credit services, establishing a fuel card with cost plus pricing, log auditing, etc. Landstar and the like look better and better.
    To go on your own, my opinion is to specialize in a lane or region. Going gypsy will take much longer to establish relationships with brokers and shippers. Hiring drivers will be easier as approval is a call to your insurance, but subscribing to Hireright to easily do your own background check is essential, IMO.
    If you think you want to ring some agents necks now, just wait till you're not on the same team.
    I'm going to add a truck here at LS this year myself. Good luck.
     
  7. bad-luck

    bad-luck Road Train Member

    3,300
    6,066
    Nov 16, 2013
    Baltimore, Maryland
    0
    Brokers will take 10% or more if you choose quick pay. If you ever decide to get your own customers you will have to wait to be paid unless you factor a load. You will alway pay some type of percentage unless you haul directly for a customer.
     
  8. FatDaddy

    FatDaddy Road Train Member

    4,314
    10,375
    Dec 23, 2008
    Katy, TX or Swedesboro, NJ
    0

    I wrestle with this question myself. Right now I feel like I'm not ready to run my own authority and the fact I am successful helps as well. I suppose I could be getting a bigger cut, but at this point as long as I'm turning te profit I set for myself to reach my needs than why change it?
     
  9. Dryver

    Dryver Road Train Member

    2,818
    2,575
    Nov 30, 2008
    Sioux Falls, SD
    0
    Actually, . . Landstar is giving you 72% of their revenue, since it is their business and their freight you are hauling. You are not paying them 28% of anything. I understand what you are meaning but it is odd how people see things.
     
    TruckDuo Thanks this.
  10. Ruthless

    Ruthless Road Train Member

    8,954
    88,234
    Aug 28, 2010
    The City.
    0

    ^ he's right. Add what Fortycalglock said.
     
    rollin coal Thanks this.
  11. Preacher Man

    Preacher Man Road Train Member

    2,930
    2,776
    May 31, 2008
    Mason City, IL
    0
    Even Landstar would disagree with this sentiment, their business model is set up to be a clearinghouse between drivers (BCOs) and brokers (agents) and they are more than glad to explain that they work for us and not the other way around. In fact they have no customers, or trucks of their own. I'm not complaining about Landstar, I'm just gathering information for future planning so that I can start putting together my business plan for the next 5 years starting next year.

    There is a lot of benefit to running under their authority and taking advantage of the services they offer. I'm already doing 100% live loads and unloads preparing to purchase my own trailer. I realize there is a possibility that when all is said and done I wouldn't make enough to make it worthwhile to go out on my own. I would like to know that now rather than later.
     
  • Truckers Report Jobs

    Trucking Jobs in 30 seconds

    Every month 400 people find a job with the help of TruckersReport.