are you going to be using them? if so how much? how many days a week will they all run? how many miles?
I run a small local fleet, Id suggest for maintenance: If minimal (5K) miles and local work figure maybe $10-15K/truck/year average for the mix of years as a base then as miles go up, so does the cost.
for fuel, that's not hard to figure out at 5mpg depending on the miles/fuel cost
labor, you'll have to see what tanker guys are getting in your area, which should be something you can look up. Don't forget total cost of employment is a good bit more than what the guys get paid (comp, unemployment, some taxes, etc), Maybe overtime if you're not crossing state lines.
insurance all depends on your current ratings and what you're hauling, I have no idea about hazmat or what limits you're gonna run, but $5-$10 per truck at the low end for $1M coverage is a place to start, ask a professional.
no idea on regulatory
stuff you missed:
parking? towing? damages? tickets? uniforms? non-truck safety equipment? fines? other business costs? hiring someone to manage your 6+ drivers?
The numbers I threw out are based on my experience in my market, not doing hazmat and doing real low mileage urban work. YMMV for sure. Best person to ask is the guy you bought the gear off of. Who ever it is maybe has some time on their hands now?
Figure out what your competition charges, that'll give you a good reality check on what it HAS TO cost less than.
We are taking on a small fleet of trucks and I have a bunch of dumb questions
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The only dumb questions are the ones you don't ask.
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I know my questions are vague. Though I have already gotten some useful information. We will be running about 600-700 loads a month and the distance will vary. Most will be within 100 miles. Though we will be running to Houston to west Texas. Mileage will be 6000-10000? My guess is Mon-Sat about 10-12 hours a day. I think many of these things I will have to figure out the hard way. I understand I will have to hire someone who has experience in handling these things.
I am curious about this buying new and selling them before maint costs get to be a headache. How much is a new truck vs a 2007 and under? I am not going to do this for a year, but I can afford to sell these off and buy new. Long as it is economical to do so later. I need to check with a CPA and see what kind of games you can play on depreciation and taxes with leasing.
What is the going rate to employ a trucker full time? Right now they are independents the old company hired.
I believe 4 of the 5 trucks have sleepers.
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Are these trucks your first for your fleet ? Up to now, you had no trucks, right ? Do you know how much bossman paid for the trucks ? Is bossman asking these questions, or, are you wanting to know, because you are operations manager ? If these are your first trucks for the business, you will need to operate them cold and then look back after every 90 days to evaluate what they have cost you. One truck might not cost you next to nothing and the next might cost you a bunch. There are companies that go to auctions and buy 15 trucks blindly. If 13 or 14 of them are good, they're happy, because they expect at least 1 to be junk. Make sure bossman has fat checkbook, then proceed with your new venture.
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Thanks for you help all. I will be back here with many more questions over the next year. I have all kinds of ideas in my head from logistics software to this idea of buying new and selling after four years. I have been told this will be more of a second business in the actual work load. Not something I wanted to hear, but it was decided above my pay grade. -
Yeah, your numbers are going to be a good bit higher than the ones I posted. As for new vs used it's a pay now/pay later kinda thing. Lots of threads already on that here and other places, articles too. IMHO lower miles is more older-equipment compatible. Jumping right into a setup of that size is not going to be fun, there's a lot to learn and mistakes can be expensive, just normal stuff is expensive and a lot of the time you won't have any idea which it is. I think the next purchase after all those trucks should be someone with experience in running a fleet of them. I knew a guy who got hired to run a brand new fuel delivery fleet who had management experience, but no trucking. Service station owner decided he didn't want to pay the delivery company for his gas anymore and wanted his name on the side of a truck. He just hired the guy I knew who didn't know anything about trucking to manage it. He did his best but it got expensive FAST, plus since he didn't already know a lot it was real hard for him to call BS on his drivers who knew more about hauling fuel than he did. Of course if finding someone to do the job eliminates your job...
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5 Semi Trucks and 4 Petroleum Trailers and 1 Lease Owner Operator
Equipments Payments: $6470.20 (this includes late fees)
Insurance: $7070.53 (this changes every time you add equipment added Howard Springer)
Workers Comp: $2500.00 average (Base on prior quarterly payroll)
Fuel: $15,000.00 average (4.5 to 5.5 MPG varies on distance and in town/out of town driving)
Maintenance: $2500.00 average (Tires, Oil change, small repairs)
Tags/Permits:$625.00 (7500.00 annually)
Misc: $500.00
Payroll: $25,000.00 average(Based on miles driven and delivery and pickup locations)
This is what I got from the current owner of the trucks, but I don't know how accurate it is.
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I think him handing this to anyone other than his cpa is stupid on his part.
for example how do you want to do the maintenance, piece meal or amortized?
Dumping money into an account for the trucks may be a good thing but overall the way it is done needs to be decided.
How do you determine where the disposal point of ownership happens with an older truck or where the break even point is with a new truck - it isn't all about depreciation.
Payroll shouldn't be included in the operating costs of the trucks if there are other parts of the business where there are people employed.
There are a lot more things to deal with, I would think that the cpa of the company needs to be involved to make sure the accounting is done as the rest of the company. Overall there isn't much different than running other equipment in a business.Schumacher Thanks this. -
so you had the numbers all along? what is this "the price is right"?
I assume that's all per month right?
2500 comp on 25000 payroll is 10% which is about right for trucking with a decent experience rating, your company may do better or worse on that
but yeah, that all looks believable, but also doesn't include setting aside $$ for a rainy day, weird crazy BS that happens, or whatever.
Tires/oilchange/small repairs can be 2500/month
but some months will be BAD. with 23 axles on the road every day and brakes at $3k per axle you're going to be doing those at some point. maybe add a category for "big repairs" that's $2500/mo. Some months it will be $0, some months it will be $10K.
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CPA is coming in Monday for other things. I am going to talk to him about the best way to handle it.
I did not have the numbers when I posted this. I got them and then posted. This is per month.mugurpe Thanks this.
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