High Turnover Confusion

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Because very few would apply if HR wrote the accurate job description.
Shux Howdy!
How many do y'all reckon would even bother to read it before they rush in with eyes wide shut -- and sign on the dotted line?

I believe if there were a true, factual representation of the job posting, very few would apply & those that do must believe themselves smarter than the system or the company.
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It's not until after you've spent nearly your last coin getting there do you hear the truth...or something close to it.
And who's fault is that? Or close to it.

I would have to say the majority of fault lies in the recruiting for embellishing the job & the company for allowing them to operate that way.
How does a person with no trucking background "know" the truth about how shabby a company is without actually being there?
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You hang out with them for a yr; usually living on a diet of regretting the decision you made until another company will agree to pick you up.
If the diet doesn't agree with you, why would you want ANOTHER company to pick you up?
Especially when you feel your present company is keepin' you down by sellin' you false information and feedin' you garbage.
Does that compute?

Some newbies actually understand that jumping ship before garnering at least a yrs worth of experience can get in their way when looking for a new, better company.

Some newbies figured out that if they quit before fulfilling their contractural obligations for the company schooling that they'll have to repay the schooling out of pocket.

Some newbies do have a work ethic & stick it out for the yr or so because they want to drive & have been told there's better companies out there.

These are a few reasons why they stay & eat the poop.
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In a yr, you find a chance to escape whether it's into another truck, back into your old profession or something entirely new.

It's not just a newbie thing either.
Old hands with a company jump ship too.
What do they call a person who does the same thing over and over and over again ---
and expects different results?
I forget.

They're many times called Truck Driver.
Truckdrivers are the eternal hopefuls' & continue to do the same thing over & over in hopes of someday making it over the top to prosperity & security.
Tommorow will be a better day.
I'll get that good load soon.
My dispatcher likes me & wants to see me succeed.
I just have to keep going, work harder, donate more of my time for free.
Some make it, most don't.
Newbies with no real understanding of the lies they were told have an especially long row to hoe.

Besides, who said anything about job hoppers in this statement?
I'm refering to drivers that have been with a company for awhile.
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The guys/gals who've been with a company get used to the way things turned out for them.
They've pretty well paid their dues to be in the top of the choice loads list.
All of a sudden things change for that/those drivers; usually not for the best.
Well, ..... if they're habitual job-hoppers, they'd never reach that level. So maybe it's a good thing they don't get that far. Less disappointment that way.

Of course, there IS a flip-side to that coin.
Things COULD change for the BETTER.
But a habitual job-hopper wouldn't know that either.
Bummers.

In one statement you condemn a newbie for staying someplace that's clearly abusing him/her & then you say job hoping is ok?
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The company, ever vigilant for a new way to beat a few more cents from someone, tries a different way of doing things that ends up costing the tenured driver.
But, on the brighter side, that tenured driver would still be driving --- and bringing SOMEthing home to momma and the kids.
OR, that tenured driver could just jump ship, and start at the bottom .......... again.
Decisions
Decisions
What to do
What to do
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What if that "something" ends up being the same or marginally more than a newbie is making?
Is it much the same as starting at the bottom again?

Are you suggesting that it would be unethical for the long term employee to not accept that treatment & move on?
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And when the LAST Big truck truckin' company goes outta business -- or relocates to another country -- the problems will get REAL serious.
What's a Big truck truck driver to do?!

Did you even read this statement before hitting the go button?
The USA will be sitting in a pile of rubble before either of those things happens.
The only thing left to do is take down the flag & turn off the lights on your way out.
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I've presented an opinion on partly why I believe there to be as much turnover as there is.
I've tried to understand & respond to your rebutal.

I'm at a loss to fully understand what point you were trying to make. It seems to condemn newbies for staying with shabby corps.
In another breath you condemn seasoned drivers for moving on from shabby corps.
What's it going to be?

 

Sure they would need thousands of new drivers monthly just like they need thousands of new teachers attorney and street sweepers. the country gets bigger, more people, more products and retirees.

show me your study that "they go bye-bye"

most of america is working illiterate, right teacher??? graduating with a ninth grade education? and most do not sign a contract, they are told how things work and what they will be paid for and they assume they are being told the truth.

ok and what of the other half of the country and probably much much more that has never been to this site or heard of it or played on the computer? still their fault??? they should have known???

I don't know that I am talking to a teacher at all, much less a successful one. However, you do realize teachers have a union and are government employees 90% of the time and that they actually have a contract to read. Last I checked, in trucking, you get paid by the mile it isn't until later it is noted not miles you drive... just yesterday I was told it was post office to post office miles... ohhh if even that were true I'd be happier than I am because I know how zip to zip works and it ain't office to office.

I actually think it will change... when we want it too.

 

I believe the companies should be held to some standard of truth in advertising & full disclosure.

Is it really such an effort for a company to speak the truth about themself?
There's the "on-the-web page" story.
Then there's the "on the phone" story.
After that comes the "now that we got you here" story.
Every rendition is different because it's told by a different person.
In other circles that's called "plausible deniability" or "bait & switch".

Most companies will only divulge the attractive information while omitting their negatives.
I evidence this with the same website we're using now.

How often have you read where a wannabe went to a company even after performing due diligence to find the story changed from what was advertised or discussed by phone?

Better companies don't generally do this.

However, a newbie really doesn't have the pick & choose of the litter.
He/she generally has to start with a bottomfeeder company.

I'd say it's a given that most training companies will bs the newbies figuring once they're in, they won't leave for fear of ruining their DAC or having to pay out of pocket for the training. That alone is basically carte' blanch to mistreat newbies.

I'd also be willing to bet that the training price is well inflated for what you get compared to what it really cost the company.

I wouldn't be surprised if companies made a profit on flunking newbies.
It's a write-off & maybe even reimbursable thru a deal with the gvmt.
That's a good incentive for inflating the cost.

 

Me too!
Along with our own gubmit.
But that's another thread.
And the truth seems to be they aren't held to the COMPLETE truth.
But as long as wannaBees and newBees don't know what to look for, they'll continue to practice what must be a profitable system for doin' business.

Probably not.
Actually, I'm thinkin' it takes MORE effort to dream up and implement some of the schemes that some of the companies do.

Interesting thing is, it seems to be working for them.

I call it bovine excrement.

And I realize that stuff goes on, -- often at the bottom-feeder training companies.
Consider this -- the truckin' company is training drivers ---
so how far of a jump is it to imagine they're also training office and support personnel (read dispatchers and mechanics) as well?

Those folks, like Big truck truck drivers, tend to stick WITH the better companies, and not move on after a year, or two.
They like where they are, and that's a GOOD sign.

MOST companies?
Maybe.
But not ALL companies.
Research.

Too often.
And I think SOME of it is completely true.
However, we usually only read ONE side to the story here.
And, as we all know, there are THREE sides to most stories.

That's CORRECT!
Know why?
They have NO need to.
THEY'RE the REAL deal!!

And why I personally prefer the SMALLER, nitch truckin' companies. But they're picky about who they'll hire. And MANY times it's not gonna be what'cha know as much as WHO you know.

Not so.
NObody HAS to start with ANY company.
But IF they DO --- they SHOULD be prepared for what's about to happen.

To jump into a bottom feeder's web, get stuck, and cry nobody TOLD me there is a spider in here -- just sizzles my bacon.

I don't think I agree that it's a "given" that "most" companies execute that practice -- but I also don't doubt that SOME of them do.

This information isn't marked TOP SECRET.
Research will reveal valuable information.

I'm not privy to the costs of training, but, I'm thinkin' it's like anything else --- some will get more out of the instruction than others.
Some will feel ripped off --- while others will be bragging about the bargain price.

I reckon it's how HARD a wannaBee WORKS at learnin' that makes 'em more attractive to the better truckin' companies.

When I went to Big truck truck drivin' school, I often heard instructors being praised by certain students, and the opposite from certain other students.
The students who were doing well tended to praise the instructor(s) -- while the "I just don't get it " group tended to blame the instructors for their inability to teach the un-teachable.
Just my observation.
For what it's worth.

Have you read much here about C.R. England?

B I N G O !!

Give that man a Cee-GaR!

Like I often tell folks, -----
if something doesn't seem to make any sense --
follow the Money Trail.
That's where the REAL answers are to be found.

 

Certainly & usually out of desperation.
I don't know of anyone that starts out with a good job & aspires to get a worse one unless circumstances beyond their control force that issue.

No one is truly the master of their own fate.
Fate can lull anyone into a false sense of security & when you least expect it, the other shoe drops.
There's no preparing for that test.

You can research until you go blind & you won't find the truth until you see it for yourself. Trucking companies are most adept at hiding their skeletons.
Hercule' Perot would have trouble ferreting out the dirty laundry in some of these companies.

It's sarcasm.
I recognized your disdain for newbies problems & how much above us you are.

Sometimes, yeh.

Don't worry.
I only said it cuz I meant it.

That is, for the most part, trucking.
All you can really do is continue trying & enjoying the moments in between.

More like dediction & courage despite the odds.

I could not say otherwise. Most simply survive with a few being able to afford "things".

Drivers getting their belly full of lying, cheating companies would be about tops on my list.

I have a question or two of my own.
Have you ever driven truck OTR?
Do you aspire to be on the road?

 

Have you considered that it might actually be the teacher is not very good at teaching?
Unteachable? That chaps my hide,
I've heard that from some teachers before.
Talk about someone blaming others for their failures.
Half of teaching is inspiring someone to want & continue to learn.
The other half is figuring what teaching method works for the individual.
Virtually no one is incapable of learning.
It's only when one of the pair stops trying that it becomes impossible.

Just my observation,
For what it's worth.