shiftin problem.... help me out

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by soon2betrucking, Jun 14, 2008.

  1. soon2betrucking

    soon2betrucking Road Train Member

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    Hey people, iv been drivin for about 2 1/2 months now, and this past week my shifting was just bad. where should my RPM's be when im shifting, i have a 2004 volvo, its got a cummins in it, not sure what modle it is, its the smaller on, that much i do no.
    but it just seemed that when i was shiftin everytime i came off the clutch my whole truck would shake, now, its not like im shifting to 5th when i should be in 4th, i go gear by gear, i just cant seem to get a grip on the right way to shift my truck. any advise???
    anything would be great...
    thanks
     
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  3. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    Sounds like you're shifting way too early. Or taking too long between shifts and allowing your revs and speed to drop off.

    Depending on terrain, weight, horse power and road conditions. You might want to rev as high as 1700 rpm before shifting. A cummins engine can take that without issue. Provided your company has not restricted your revs below that. Ours are restricted to 1600 rpm in 9th.

    Progressive shifting calls for increasing rpm's as you climb through the gears. While you might make the first shift, almost immediately after the truck starts rolling, the other gears will need a bit more rpm. Too little, you get the hop. Too high, you lose fuel economy.

    You''ll eventually get where you don't use a tach. Regardless of engine design. I can easily swap from low rev high torque engines to high rev lower torque engines, with no issues.

    If you're shaking during take off. You are in too high of a gear.
     
  4. Truckerjo

    Truckerjo Road Train Member

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    Well it has been awhile since i drove a Cummings.. I know the RPM's need are lower then a Detroit and cat.. I know the high side you shift around 1100-1300 RPM the low I can't be for sure but i am thinking 800-1000 range..
     
  5. dancnoone

    dancnoone "Village Idiot"

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    You grab a gear with my cummins at 1300 rpm, you'll be blocking traffic for a long time. Maybe in 5th to 6th...but certianly not 6th to 7th

    That would be reasonable with the new high torque engines. But not the older designs which are still being sold in some trucks.

    BTW, my cat engine shifted out on the upper side, at 12 - 1300. It was the newer high torque low rpm design...and I miss it :(

    The new Detroit DD15, 1300 rpm will give you everything you need to pull tree stumps.
     
  6. kd5drx

    kd5drx <strong>Master of Electronic Communications</stron

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    Ok its been years since i used the clutch to shift so can't help allot in that dept. But that is one of the problems i see with the schools they teach you to shift by the tach no matter what the engine sounds like or how much strain its in if its here you shift up or down. Its not that simple either believe it or not no 2 trucks with the same specs will shift right at the same place. If i drove the truck since it was new it will shift better where i have been shifting it all the time. If you get in and try and shift it to your style it will be a fight for a while and you will eventually learn to shift where the truck is comfortable not where your instructor told you too. Just sdjust your shifting to where it will feel comfortable and the jerking and poping was the reason i learned to float the gears with a load of steers on or a load of fuel in a tanker jerking and popping is not what you want to be doing so smooth is the way to go.
     
  7. soon2betrucking

    soon2betrucking Road Train Member

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    thanks guys, ill give it a shot, ill try it, and if anyone els wants to offer any other ideas, please feel free, thanks.
     
  8. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    STOP watching the tach on your up shifts and shift by what the motor sounds like. Depends on terrain and load whether you shift at lower RPMs or a little higher to maintain speed.

    The only time I watch the tach for shifts is down shifting on a hill. Once it lugs down to a certain point I shift. I can also do it by sound but usually watch the tach just because I can. :D :D


    Also stop double clutching until you get the hang of shifting. The clutch is good for starting out, (ok a requirement :D :D) but not required for shifting after that.

    On your up shifts if you start shifting by sound and not the tach you'll soon have it.
     
  9. soon2betrucking

    soon2betrucking Road Train Member

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    Hey Brickman, you said to stop double clutchin, when you say that, do you mean float or do you mean press and hold it in from like 1-2 2-3 3-4 and so on?
    ill be in the truck late tm night, ill try it by the sound, hopefuly it works.
    ill let you all no, but i dont no where ill have the internet. but as soon as im able to get back on ill let you folks no how its going.

    thanks again.
     
  10. panhandlepat

    panhandlepat Road Train Member

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    float it, let the rpm go up till you "feel" yourself not accelerating as fast, let off the gas as you push the shifter toward neutral. if on flat ground you push to the next gear in about 1/2 second or so. if going uphill it is almost immediately (gravity will slow the rpm quicker) and downhill i wait at least a full second, then ease it in there. untill tyou get used to it it might grumble a bit, but dont force it. be GENTLE if it grumbles, when it falls to correct rpm it will "fall" right in.
     
  11. Brickman

    Brickman Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Float it, do not press and hold or you'll take out your trans brake in no time flat, that you really need to get the trans stopped when putting it in gear from a stop.

    On up hill shifts you can tap the clutch just enough to take it out of gear. Immediately letting the clutch back out so that you can shift faster. It takes A LOT of practice to get it to work but it does work for me. You'll actually be letting off the throttle a nano second before taping the clutch.
    It works for me, but a friend hasn't be able to get it to work for him. If this just confuses you more don't try it until you get more practice!
     
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