How much diesel can you haul before needing hazmat / tanker endorsements?

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  1. Bdog

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    Truck has a 150 gallon tank. My flatbed will be hauling separate pieces of equipment that have a combined total of six diesel tanks. Two of them are small like ten gallons, two are 40 gallons of so, one 50, and one 90. All together if everything happened to be full it would be 240 gallons on the trailer in six different tanks and then 150 gallons in the truck tank. Will this be an issue?
     
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  3. RGN

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    I know for me hauling equipment with fuel/oil/batteries (no bulk tanks): check "CL 9 NB" in the HazMat part of the MCS-150 & $1m liability for Interstate ops. No placards or hazmat endorsement.
     
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  4. GasHauler

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    Fuel tanks that are mounted to the vehicle and are there to supply fuel to run the engine are not considered cargo. You'll never get a BOL for fuel. However, you need a solid reference before you can go on and I just can not find it right now. I'm searching CFR 49 parts 100 to 177 and parts CFR 49 parts 178 to 199. It's in there so I will find it. I'll post it here so all can use it. Sorry.
     
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  5. Bdog

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    Thanks. Only thing I could find in my searches were some said any tanks over 119 gallons required placarding and maybe hazmat but not positive on that as there was no reference to the code.

    None of the tanks I am hauling are over that size and they are all fuel tanks on equipment or machinery to supply fuel to those machines. The bulk of it is a pickup that will be ocassionally hauled on the trailer it has a 37 gallon factory tank and a 90 gallon transfer tank in the bed for fueling equipment on the job sites.
     
  6. RGN

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  7. GasHauler

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    I've got the references for you. It's listed in the CFR 173.220. You start off reading this and I see ok, you have to drain you equipment down to just a little. Then they came in and saved you. CFR 49 parts 100 to 177 paragraph 173.220 ( b ) (1) they say here that you do not have to drain the vehicles "For transportation by motor vehicle or rail car, the fuel tanks must be securely closed". You keep the equipment only hauling by truck and rail car you just have to make sure the system is secured.

    I strongly suggest that if you're going to do any hazmat hauling you get this manual. There's very few drivers that are aware of this governing regulation and if they get caught violating any regulation or law it's their time they'll spend with the state. I can guarantee you if you're in court the lawyer that going to rip you apart will be holding that book. I know because I sat there with the United States vs BNSF rail-road on the government side and the lawyer thought no one knew this requirement.
     
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  8. GasHauler

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    Sorry I didn't see your reply. I was kind of happy when I went through that PUB and just posted it. I find the government had a very good hand in this PUB and made it extremely hard to read. And I've been reading PUBs like this for over 20 years. Go figure, anyway Great job.
     
  9. RGN

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    Thanks. I can't remember where it says you must have Class 9 Non-Bulk HazMat on your MCS-150 and the $1m liability. As you said, not easy to find but I have the reference filed somewhere (387.something?).
     
  10. Bdog

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    Thanks guys. No plans of hauling any hazmat in the near future. Just hauling my diesel powered machinery to our jobsites. I just got a bit nervous once I started adding up all the fuel tanks I would have on board.

    I do hold a federal explosives license and work with explosives but we never haul them we have the company deliver to our jobsites. My insurance is high enough already without hauling dynamite down the road. For the reasonable fees they charge to deliver I will let them continue to do so.
     
  11. GasHauler

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    I just curious here about the CFR 49 manual. It's it well know to you or your terminal. Was it included in the yearly training you have to review? I say this because I had seen this important publication for the very first time when after I was hired for a year I started going to school. We had a course that was iNTRO TO HAZARDOUS MATERIAL and we had that book for references. After that I saw all the books I was buying at the college was up in the bookcase in the bosses office. The way my company handled things like this was we had a department that was their job to find the requirement and let us know. They would also go around the trucks when we first got them. They made sure everything was in compliance. I can see the requirement of a small company or even an O/O to have this publication at hand and ready to use when need be. Just wanted to know.
     
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