20,000 miles RM vs Garmin side by side review.

Discussion in 'Trucking Electronics, Gadgets and Software Forum' started by ethos, Dec 25, 2015.

  1. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    That's what the externally mounted memory card is used for.

    Yes, But the one time i used it. It wasn't accurate. The app has been updated 3 times and the map once that i know of. I have no idea if it's accurate these days.

    I stand by my ACCURATE statement. I was there. Using the thing. UUUUU weren't.

    AND, 53's and 102's are allowed on NON routes. Except for Idaho.
     
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  3. Mark Kling

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    There is not a setting per say, but if you look in the Truck Tools, you can change the trailer width and length which controls the STAA and Non-STAA routing. This has been in the TND since the T5B A32 model from day one.

    Routing efficiently - How do you determine if it routes you efficiently? Just because it does not take you on a route that you want to be on does not mean it is not routing efficiently. A good way to check a route if in question is to place it in car mode - if it routes, then there is a truck restriction, if it does not route - then an map issue.

    Just because other trucks are on a route does not mean it is truck legal. States, yes the states pick how they place restrictions, RM has no say so in what a State does for their internal roads. RM simply gathers the data from the states and inserts this into the routing. So if a route has a restriction, then it is up to the state to enforce it or not. Not RM. Many times states do not post signs, it does not mean a restriction is not there, it means they did not post a sign. A restriction may be in place as to STAA/Non-STAA, Kingpin, or a weight restriction. It should be in the State Data which RM gathers and inserts into the map algorithm. SO if you are not routed on that road,, you blame the RM for not routing you efficiently, but in fact you are not routed on it based upon your truck settings and it not being a truck legal route based upon your settings.

    By changing your settings will determine what roads you will be legally routed on. If you set your trailer to 53', then you will not be routed on a Non-STAA route which is a 48' trailer.

    It is up to the user to use common sense in their routing, It is up to the user to determine if they wish to take a non-truck route, it is up to the user to determine if they wish to be on a Non-Staa route with a STAA trailer.

    Prescott, AZ was a error in the restriction as the far right lane was restricted, but the restriction was carried over to the left lanes by mistake. RM had no control over this. The error was found and a map correction was inputted.

    So we agree Snowwy, you had the option to change your trailer settings at the time to 48'/96" wide which is Non-STAA and you would have been routed on AZ-93. Your choice to what settings you had on your unit. This is long past now. Please do not keep making comments on threads that the RM will not route you on a Non-STAA route, it will, if the user will change their trailer settings, based upon something that happened quite a few years ago. Truck Tools has had no changes since 2009 (TND came out in 2009) except for the number of axles. All other settings have been in place since version 1. I know this as I wrote the specs for that.

    I know about AZ-93 quite close, as AZ will route OS/OL loads via a permit on that road. Since the State issued the permit the driver is given a clean slate to use that road based upon their permit. RM simply cannot route all trucks on it if they have a 53'/102" trailer as the State of AZ has a few areas that are Non-STAA on AZ-93.

    If you understand the differences between a STAA and Non-STAA route, you can vary your routing by these settings.

    The ultimate key decision making process is the driver. Any GPS is simply a tool to assist in your trip planning.

    Based upon what settings you have in Truck Tools, and Preferences/routing will determine how you are routed on a truck legal route. Understand also roads has "weights" assigned to them that need to be tweaked from time to time to provide a better routing.

    If you wish to drive on non truck legal routes based upon your trailer and weight then it is you who will makes that decision. You can get an OD ticket if the LEO so desires. All the TND does is try to route you on a truck legal route based upon your truck settings.
     
  4. Mark Kling

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    Your statement is not accurate in that you had your settings set to 53'/102" for the trailer which is default out of the box.

    I can duplicate routes easy enough sitting at my desk.

    The TND was correct in not routing you on AZ-93 which has a few Non-STAA points even today with STAA trailer settings.

    STAA - 53'/102" trailer
    Non-STAA - 48'/96" trailer.

    Find me a link(s) from all states to support this statement. Simply typing it does not support it. Other trucks on a Non-STAA does not make it legal nor support it.

    AND, 53's and 102's are allowed on NON routes. Except for Idaho
     
  5. Mark Kling

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    Now I did find this. - Please note, RM gathers it data from the States. If a state allows a STAA trailer on a Non-STAA route, then that is the states option. BUT, the state data source still shows the restriction as a Non-STAA route. RM cannot legally change the State Data source. The State has to change their Trailer restrictions on the State Data source in order for it to be enjoined with the maps for correct routing for ALL mapping companies.

    Please note - US-93 does not show for AZ, but Kingman is still showing a Non-STAA route in the State data source. This may have been changed since the issue Snowwy had a few years back and if it is a legal STAA area, then the State of AZ has to change their State data source. I will verify with RM the areas of restrictions on AZ-93. But, in current maps, parts of AZ-93 still show restricted to a STAA trailer as a prior post showing pictures of the two different routes.

    The TND like any other Truck GPS is a computer, it takes what the user inputs, setting's, and what is in the map data to keep you on a truck legal route.

    Obey posted signs if they differ from your routing, if not this can happen -

    http://www.wndu.com/news/indiana/he...ml?utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook_WNDU

    So in closing - what the State Map Data source has is what all mapping companies must go by. No mapping company can legally change a truck restriction put in place by a state. Too many legal issues and lawsuits.

    Note, RM is not liable for the contents.

    The listed Link(s) may/may not be current, since they are dated about 2009.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Network

    https://www.azdot.gov/docs/projects/i-40-us-93-ti-final-feasibility-report.pdf?sfvrsn=10
     
  6. snowwy

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    The NON staa route is legal for trucks to a point, at which you turn off. Because, if you continue on that same road, 20 miles down. Trucks aren't allowed.
     
  7. Mark Kling

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    Again, the state has that section listed as Non-STAA, you change your trailer settings to 48'/96" and you will be routed. RM does not control the state information that the States report what roads are for what trailer restrictions.

    You put in your destination, the TND will look at your settings and routing preferences, and then it will route you on a truck legal route based upon what is in the Map Database.

    If you had changed you trailer settings you would have been routed. So, your statement you constantly make that RM will not route you on AZ-93 is incorrect. Change your trailer settings and your route will change.

    Post 23, pictures 3 and 4 show the STAA and the Non-STAA route by changing your trailer settings in the TND which have been available to the user since the first version available to the consumer.
     
  8. snowwy

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    I have never ran with 48/96. My settings with any gps is always 53/102.

    I've never pulled a 96 trailer.
     
  9. Mark Kling

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    You physically do not have to have a 48'/96" trailer to change your trailer settings on the TND. Simply make a few clicks and you change your trailer dimensions and your route will change to allow you on AZ-93 if you so desire.

    So if you had changed your trailer settings to 48'/96" on the TND when you owned it, you would have been routed on AZ-93. I have been saying this all along for the past several years each time you make the comment that the TND will not route you on AZ-93.

    It is in how the user desires to set their trailer dimensions that affects the routing. RM simply goes by what is posted by the states for what roads are for what restrictions.

    The driver is the one that makes the decision, the TND is just a tool.
     
  10. ethos

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    I updated my Garmin the day I started the comparison and it still is not accurate with truck speeds.
     
  11. Espressolane

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    If it has been a while since your last update, might want to try that.
    map updates are quarterly. usually they have the changes in them. I do still have a few places that are not current.
     
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