Picking my own freight baby! My journey to & of being on Schneider choice, the Adventure & Numbers!

drvrtech77 · Mar 18, 2016

Rook93 said: ↑

Shorter runs pay more per mile yes, but imo thats double the wear on the truck. When you go car shopping, do you look for one that was 100%city driven, or one with highway miles? Same basic principles apply here, again just my opinion.
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No..you need to go back and read what i posted...I never said shorter runs...I said you don't need to run high miles...I can make more $$$ running around 2200mi a week than you could 3000+ mi a week..that's what I'm saying..if you think chasing miles on a % program is going to work,knock yourself out because it won't...

Home_on_wheels · Mar 18, 2016

freightwipper said: ↑

I used an 11 hour day as an example.
You could use endless mathematical examples and in each the faster driver hauling more freight will always earn more than the slower driver hauling less freight. (Baring both are running at similar rates)
Still waiting for anybody here to show a mathematical way to disprove that case.
It wasn't happened because it's not possible.

Don't like 11 hour day?
Okay how about two different drivers booking freight and trip planning based on working a full week aiming to drive 8 hours a day.
Driver A books freight aiming at averaging 50 mph.
Driver B books freight aiming at averaging 60 mph.
Just for the heck of it I'll give the slower driver an extra .10 a mile just to further prove my case.

Driver A: average speed of 50 MPH, fuel 9 MPG, drives 8 hours a day
Driver B: average speed of 60 MPH, fuel 7 MPG, drives 8 hours a day

Driver A at $1.50 all miles ran 2800 miles.
Driver B at $1.40 all miles ran 3360 miles.

At $2 a gallon.. fuel costs
Driver A: $622
Driver B: $960

Driver A revenue $4200 - $622 in fuel = $3578
Driver B revenue $4704 - $960 in fuel = $3744

The driver running at .10 a mile cheaper and getting 2 MPG LESS still profits more at the end of the week... all by simply pulling more freight in the same amount of time.

So I don't wanna hear going slower is better BS.
It is better sometimes but in a lot of operations it's not and math proves that case, still waiting for it to be disproven by math.

In the example I gave above, if both drivers ran at the same rate the faster driver would have earn $502 more than the slower driver!
$500 just by going faster and pulling more freight in the same amount of driving time.. still giving up 2 mpg!

I mean cmon man!

Now if you wanna bring up how driving 11 hours a day is not the most profitable of operations you could choose... i agree dude.
You know what i do? 2-3-4 loads a day.
2200-2800 miles a week working 7 days.
Back when times were good I aimed for 350 miles a day at $2 all miles which was NOT difficult at all. I knew if i ran at those numbers I'd clear around $3000 to me after costs including that $1100 in fixed costs.
Also because I spent soo much time at customers and didn't run a lot of hours off my 70 I would always have a good amount of hours to work with and not having to worry about running low on hours.
Plus doing the short runs means less miles on the truck which means less maintenance and also the truck holds it value more
Win win win all the way around.
That is until freight tanked and now I'm being forced to run longer loads because theres less loads overall to play "connect the loads" with.

I'm not disagreeing with you on shorter runs are better... my operation is based around that.
Picking and choosing an operation to run is a different topic.

All I was intending to do was disprove the narrative that going slow always means you'll earn more. I see it posted all the time and it simply is not true.
Okay next lol
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I'm not saying anything bad about your math. Sure, on paper, that works or justifies to yourself that running faster is better. BUT, in the real world, it's BS. There are way too many variables for that example to work. For one, no two trucks out on the road runs the same. So, in your example, you are assuming that the two trucks run the same. BS. Running faster on todays roads will beat the living crap out of your truck. You are eating up tires at the higher speeds. You are wearing out your driveline at the higher speeds. You are wearing out brakes at a higher rate. So, you may get a higher net now, but in the long run, your maintenance costs will come and bite you in the butt. You run your truck at the higher speeds and I'll run mine at the slower speeds. At the end of three years, mine will be in better shape overall than yours. Plain and simple. For some reason, the younger people don't look at the long term. They look at the here and now. No disrespect to anyone. Just my opinion. And I have been doing this since 1975. Let the flames begin!!!

againstthewind · Mar 18, 2016

where do you search a thread with keywords,it used to have "search this thread" but i can't find it since things have changed

Home_on_wheels · Mar 18, 2016

againstthewind said: ↑

where do you search a thread with keywords,it used to have "search this thread" but i can't find it since things have changed
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Right at the top of the page. Search Forums in the blue area. Also search box just below your screen name.

HalpinUout · Mar 18, 2016

againstthewind said: ↑

where do you search a thread with keywords,it used to have "search this thread" but i can't find it since things have changed
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The top right of your screen is a Red magnifying glass...

HalpinUout · Mar 18, 2016

Home_on_wheels said: ↑

Right at the top of the page. Search Forums in the blue area.
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Lol, red on mine?

Scott72 · Mar 18, 2016

Home_on_wheels said: ↑

I'm not saying anything bad about your math. Sure, on paper, that works or justifies to yourself that running faster is better. BUT, in the real world, it's BS. There are way too many variables for that example to work. For one, no two trucks out on the road runs the same. So, in your example, you are assuming that the two trucks run the same. BS. Running faster on todays roads will beat the living crap out of your truck. You are eating up tires at the higher speeds. You are wearing out your driveline at the higher speeds. You are wearing out brakes at a higher rate. So, you may get a higher net now, but in the long run, your maintenance costs will come and bite you in the butt. You run your truck at the higher speeds and I'll run mine at the slower speeds. At the end of three years, mine will be in better shape overall than yours. Plain and simple. For some reason, the younger people don't look at the long term. They look at the here and now. No disrespect to anyone. Just my opinion. And I have been doing this since 1975. Let the flames begin!!!
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I'm going to have to agree with this, and I've ran both ways.. I set my cruise at 60 now and stay out of the left lane.

freightwipper · Mar 18, 2016

Home_on_wheels said: ↑

I'm not saying anything bad about your math. Sure, on paper, that works or justifies to yourself that running faster is better. BUT, in the real world, it's BS. There are way too many variables for that example to work. For one, no two trucks out on the road runs the same. So, in your example, you are assuming that the two trucks run the same. BS. Running faster on todays roads will beat the living crap out of your truck. You are eating up tires at the higher speeds. You are wearing out your driveline at the higher speeds. You are wearing out brakes at a higher rate. So, you may get a higher net now, but in the long run, your maintenance costs will come and bite you in the butt. You run your truck at the higher speeds and I'll run mine at the slower speeds. At the end of three years, mine will be in better shape overall than yours. Plain and simple. For some reason, the younger people don't look at the long term. They look at the here and now. No disrespect to anyone. Just my opinion. And I have been doing this since 1975. Let the flames begin!!!
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In paper it works and here it works also.
We have all these open window appointments, drop and hooks etc. So if you want you could move as much freight as you can in the shortest amount of time.
Ive done 500-600 mile, 3 drop and hook loads in a day before.. i was hauling butt but it was very profitable. If i drove like a Prime truck theres no way i could pull off days like that and I would have left a lot of money on the table.
When I'm looking at the load board i could do 400 miles at a good rate and drive granny style to save fuel or see and say to myself if i haul butt i can earn an extra $200-$300 in a day by hauling butt and squeezing in another load.
So in the real world it can work out and is not BS. I've done it and face it everyday in trip planning and booking loads.
As a dedicated driver or dealing with a dispatcher it might be BS but not here when we have access to thousands of loads to pick from.
Another thing to remember or at least for me is these $1100 week payments don't stop.
If i earned the most money i can in the shortest amount of time then i can afford time off sooner vs being in a truck longer.
That's another topic though.
Not everybody owns a truck here, on a short lease where they know they will not keep the truck many drivers think about saving their brakes and driveline for the next driver that gets in the truck? lol.
That's one reason i didnt go with a used truck.
Yeah yeah there's endless variables i know.
All I'm saying is there's times and ways goes faster pays off big time, sometimes it doesn't.
Can we at least accept going slow isn't always the best answer all the time? That's all i was getting at here.

freightwipper · Mar 18, 2016

Scott72 said: ↑

I'm going to have to agree with this, and I've ran both ways.. I set my cruise at 60 now and stay out of the left lane.
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The 61-62 mph governed trucks out there love you.
1 mph legendary pass! lol

freightwipper · Mar 18, 2016

I've had enough of this mph mpg stuff.
Everybody just gotta do what makes them happy. The cool part is there's sooo many different ways to run all by your choice and it can work in all different ways. There's no one size fits all operation for anybody.

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