Effects of the ELD

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by bigmotor1212, Jun 1, 2016.

  1. bigmotor1212

    bigmotor1212 Light Load Member

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    Dang you have no reading comprehension, and you suck at math. I'm not convinced you could plan a trip to the mailbox.
     
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  3. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    What he meant is after a couple months of using an elog those things you cite as problems won't be because you will have adjusted.

    I went on them right before easter. I screwed up for the first few weeks and went over either the 11 or the 8 several times cause of poor planning. But since, it hasn't been a problem. They haven't cost me a single load.
     
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  4. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    Never been a company driver. Only ever been an owner op, and have had my own numbers. That has no bearing, in my opinion. My stance on it is the same is always been. The elog isn't a problem, the inflexible hos is the problem. And my hope is that once the law is in effect and everyone is on them, when it shows no real improvement in safety, we can then have a real discussion about letting us split log like the old days. That's the only part of the elog I dislike, not being able to falsify the log (yes i admit that when i was on paper i frequently rewrote my logs to let me avoid heavy traffic and so had every one else that has had a paper log) and stop for a 3 hour nap to wait out traffic. Some days I can still do it with the 8/2 but others I have to suck it up and go through Atlanta at 5 pm.
     
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  5. fordconvert

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    This can be argued infinitely, but the point is : Why be so submissive ? Every intrusion, big or small, that becomes accepted, will lead to bigger and more invasive encroachments. At some point, we will be forced to eat MRE's designed by "them" in the name of safety and COMPLIANCE.
     
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  6. Lone Ranger 13

    Lone Ranger 13 Road Train Member

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    Doubt it.

    Drivers have just become so scared of everything.

    Pitiful.

    I just want a bit of flexibility.

    The nice thing about paper logs is you can drive to a truckstop, even if you're out of hours and other crazy irrational s .

    I drove for 20 years.

    I don't mean to insult decent, hardworking people. But , I just gotta report what I saw.

    This constant crap about running " legal"..
    I'm more interested in a driver running safe.

    I still remember drivers who were sensible and took pride in their jobs and operated sensibly.

    Today, drivers imply that breaking the law must be unsafe. Not necessarily.

    Like I said, not trying to hurt anybody's feelings, but it's all about being legal. Not what's about being sensible and safe.

    I'm not some super oldtimer, but I pity you guys that didn't get the privilege of trucking when things were different.

    I started in '92 and barely got into the last of the good days of trucking. It's been a steady decline since.

    Now you have a bunch of drivers worried about not getting in trouble over what an elog thinks instead of focusing on operating safely.

    Pardon me while I go puke.

    I especially like the pontificating from drivers with all of
    2 or 3 years of experience. Keep it coming.
     
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  7. 1johnb

    1johnb Medium Load Member

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    How many of you sheeple will be happy when you have to pay a federal worker. To ride with you to document everything you do, to keep you compliant. And by the way you will be responsible for their overtime also. Don't think it can't happen. Check into how the Federal meat inspected plants and inspectors operate.
    Elogs exist and the coming speed limiter ruling not for safety. It is solely to eliminate any smaller companies or O/Os from having an edge over the mega carrier's in the ability to deliver freight in an efficient and timely manner. Look at the ATAs/(anti trucker association) main members donors and whom and how they lobby. Simply follow the money. The sleep apnea is another example. If you take the profit out of sleep studies and equipment it would go away.
    It is sad that very few will stand up to the over zealous government passing rules and regulations for the sole intent of generating revenue. The government is no charged with picking winners and losers. Or leveling the playing field. The mega carrier's know that they can not compete with the small fleet or O/Os in consistent customer service. Therefore they need big brother to regulate us all.

    Also on the personal conveyance. If I recall correctly in the elog ruling pc will only allow for 1/2 hour or 25 miles.
     
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  8. bigmotor1212

    bigmotor1212 Light Load Member

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    I was on elogs for years. If you have scheduled freight they're nothing. When you're relying on the spot market, they will reduce the number of loads available to you. That's why rates are in the trash now. Many brokers will penalize you one to two hundred dollars every time you deviate from the original rate contract. I'm afraid that's what OOs are going to face.
     
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  9. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    I disagree. When you negotiate the load you also negotiate pickup and delivery times. If the broker refuses to budge on an appointment time then don't take the load. Simple as that.

    Basically it boils down to those that make the effort to find a way to make money in this industry while running legal, will have no problems.

    Fact is elogs are very soon going to be a fact of life in this industry. We have 3 choices. We can either learn to adapt. Go buy an older truck that's exempt and get our own numbers, or get out of the industry.

    Every one must make the choice that's best for them, i chose to adapt. someone else may decide to do something else for a living. Nothing wrong with either choice.
     
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  10. bigmotor1212

    bigmotor1212 Light Load Member

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    And whatever is negotiated gets documented and becomes a formal contract. At the times those negotiations are made, one does not know what lies on the road ahead. The loads I described, pay well, because there will always be a limited number of trucks in an area capable of doing them. By removing even more flexibility, consignees will keep more inventory, enabling larger windows for transit, which will LOWER RATES. Most of the loads that are tight, were already booked, but cancelled by the carrier. The shippers are more willing to pay if they can still have the load get to their customer on time.
     
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  11. Cledus Snow

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    This is the greatest post ever made on TTR. We share similar backgrounds, started in '93. But the best part of the post....

    And this is the greatest quote ever on TTR.

    Go to the Schneider IC threads, FULL of guys like this. I regularly read it for satire. They think they are the smartest, highly safety informed, most all knowing businessmen in trucking, totally laughable.
     
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