Just curious about the difference?

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by TheyCallMeDave, Jun 14, 2016.

  1. TheyCallMeDave

    TheyCallMeDave Heavy Load Member

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    So while I'm waiting to hear back from some of the local companies I've been in contact with, I've been spending my time reading the comical emails and listening to relentless voicemail's that all of the mega bs companies are bothering me with since I obtained my CDL last week. (I do have strong beating pulse so of course I'm hired no questions asked) :rolleyes: So I've been searching around just for the hell of it compiling a list of companies that I'd even remotely take a look at as a backup plan if I can't get a local gig quickly.

    While I've been searching around one of the things I look at is how long you're required to go out with some random stranger. (We've all heard the horror stories)o_O Well, while searching strictly looking at the requirements for recent graduates, I see everything from 4 weeks with a trainer, to 6 weeks and hell some are even longer:eek:. Then I stumbled upon Watkins and Sheppard and was caught off guard when I read, and I quote from their website:

    "Two weeks of onsite training then you go solo."

    • "No weeks of riding with a stranger"

      My initial thought was :cool:"well #### yea that's what I'm looking for if I have to go OTR or Regional" and I say that because frankly from what I gathered during CDL school, driving these trucks is not rocket science. I found it to be "easy" for lack of a better word. I feel 2 weeks tops just to get some tips and tricks, and brush up on things as far as qualcom and how to best utilize your time, pre-planning and dealing with shippers and receivers is about the most I need. The driving part is not a problem.

      So my question is, apparently this approach works for them. Why are so many companies all about making you go for ridiculous amounts of time before you go out on your own? Are there really that many people that take THAT LONG to pick this stuff up in a proficient manner? Obviosuly the answer is YES. When I was in school we had people that you'd swear after 4 weeks of driving EVERY DAY, had never touched the interior of a semi. I think your time with a trainer should strictly be based upon how quickly you pick things up. Not a predetermined "4 weeks, or 6 weeks". I know that trainers can sign off on you a bit earlier, but I'm seeing companies wanting a SPECIFIC number of miles driven with your trainer. What if after 2 weeks its obvious you're ready to go on your own? Can you not get the go ahead if your trainer believes that to honestly be the case at these other companies? Maybe I'm foolish in the ways of mega carrier training or maybe I'm a quicker leaner:D but my god there is no way I need to ride with some fella for 6 #### weeks to learn how to get a truck from point A to point B in a timely manner. Flame on.

      Dave

     
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  3. Hoofbeats

    Hoofbeats Road Train Member

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    You must live in a small world. In that 4-6 week period you will be all over the country. There was a company that would put two new drivers in the same truck to team. That was their training. Most people that put a lot of time and money into their CDL want to get the most out of it. You still don't know anything right out of driving school.

    Some companies won't even let students drive at night during the first month.
     
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  4. TheyCallMeDave

    TheyCallMeDave Heavy Load Member

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    I guess I could live in a small world, I'm not sure.... are there prerequisites for what determines that? Please let me know. One thing I DO know, is there's no reason for me to be all over the country if I'll only run a REGIONAL (southern at that) portion of the US. I certainly don't think I know it all, please believe that, but to act as if it takes 4-6 weeks AFTER you've already spent a month or more driving every day, just to learn to drive a truck proficiently is a stretch. I think a week of VERY thorough training in the classroom and on the yard covering everything from trip planning, to qualcom etc etc, maybe a week in the yard backing specifically, then 2 weeks on the road seems to be a more appropriate fit. This 2 weeks of class, and 6 weeks on the road bs is absurd. You're right, people who put a lot of money (say 4300 out of MY pocket) do want the most out of their training. But I think it can be exaggerated. Like I said I think it should be up to the trainer fully. If it's 2 weeks fine, if it's 6 or more, fine. But it should be per the trainers discretion as they will ultimately be the ones that say you are, or aren't ready. I was merely pointing out that apparently it IS NOT an ABSOLUTE requirement for a company to have to you with some random person for over a month to learn to get a truck from point A, to point B in a timely manner. Especially when you're just going to run a regional area, and Watkins and Sheppard is a perfect example. I was just curious (if you read carefully) how so many companies only do it one way, but another company has obviously made it work in the complete opposite direction.
     
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  5. purpleprime

    purpleprime Medium Load Member

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    The 4 to 6 week training isn't about teaching you to drive a truck , if you went through a school you really should have that down for the most part.
    The training is more about putting you into as many situations as possible from traffic to differant weather conditions , and maybe even an inspection or 2 , all while you have an experienced driver there to help you.
    Man I wish this job was just about driving from point A to point B in a timely matter
     
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  6. IronWeasel80

    IronWeasel80 Medium Load Member

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    Why do some companies require new drivers to run 4-6+ weeks before being released to go solo?

    Cheap team truck!

    That's the main reason. I worked for Swift in 2007 when I first got my CDL and I was being paid $400 / week. Most weeks we ran 3000+ miles because it was effectively a team operation. At $400 / week and 2500 miles in a week, that would mean I was paid at a rate of 16 cents per mile or 7.5 cents per mile at 3000 miles. As the miles increase, the effective pay rate would decrease at a linear rate. Now, compare that to the rate of drivers in an actual team and you'll see how much of a savings that is. Multiply that by however many trainees there are at any given time, especially in larger fleets like Swift or Werner and you can see the huge advantage that favors the company.

    Providing you with more education and learning some of the "on the job" aspects are all secondary to running more freight at a much cheaper rate than it would cost them otherwise. Most people can pick up new skills fairly quickly, so that's not a very good reason for the extended training periods. You can learn pretty much all there is to learn in a relatively short amount of time. The skills you pick up can be practiced and perfected over time whether you're with a trainer for 2 months or on your own for 2 months.
     
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  7. TheyCallMeDave

    TheyCallMeDave Heavy Load Member

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    Don't get me wrong, I understand that. I was just curious how a company is apparently staying in business by NOT doing it the "typical way". I was really just trying to open a discussion on the different time lengths of training and how it correlates to success, and what some of the REAL motivators are for such long periods of training which IronWeasel touched on.
     
  8. FlexinTarzan

    FlexinTarzan Medium Load Member

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    Most companies use a COOKIE CUTTER approach concerning recent CDL graduates, 8 weeks out with a trainer or whatever it may be. If I was the owner of the company hiring new drivers, Best believe I would have some lengthy protocol in place to iron out the rough edges. Maybe OP don't see it now but will after getting a few hundred thousand miles under his belt.
     
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  9. Md420

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    The companies get a truck ran like a team(5000+ miles) put only pay a full salary to the trainer. They basically get a $600 to $1000 discount on miles driven per every couple of week a drive is in "training"
     
  10. purpleprime

    purpleprime Medium Load Member

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    I would agree you can take a some guys out for 3 days and show them company policies and paper work and turn then loose to become great drivers .
    But on the other hand I've trained guys that after 6 weeks I recommended they have more training .
    Large companies or Megas bring in a 100 or more drivers a week it's safer for them to assume that all will need 4 to 6 weeks of training then it is to assume all will be ok after 3 days.
    Now if they had top notch trainers they could leave the judgment call to them , and that's what you see with some smaller carriers they trust their trainers and their opinions
     
  11. Hoofbeats

    Hoofbeats Road Train Member

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    It doesn't work for every company. An OTR company isn't going to train for regional driving any more than a regional company is going to train for OTR. Companies with shorter training periods tend to still have the most problems. Ten years ago a lot of the megas had you in training for at least two months. You had to have a year in before you could even be a trainer. Now they have trainers that have only been driving for six months and students are only being trained for 4-6 weeks by them.

    Back in the day you had to have at least two different trainers. One specialized in complete rookies and the other specialized in finishing up the training.
     
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