Picking my own freight baby! My journey to & of being on Schneider choice, the Adventure & Numbers!

TnRex · Oct 31, 2016

redoctober83 said: ↑

It's been like 5 days since I've looked in here and there was 10 new pages of posts. Sad part, most of it was @freightwipper complaining about how he's not making money, not enough loads, or too much deadhead. Then someone chimes in telling him to go somewhere else or get his own numbers. He always response with " show me the numbers!" After that, @spyder7723 or @duddie talk about how great flatbed is. @freightwipper well then respond he will never do flatbed.

Yes, there is money to be made in dry van or some kind of box, you just have to be willing to make a change!

@freightwipper, you're not that far off from what it would cost you if you had your own numbers. You're looking at $12-14,000 a year for all of that under your own authority.

I find over the last month I keep getting more and more emails from Brokers like Landstar asking if I have the capacity to run loads for them. A lot of these loads they email me about are from the northwest going to the Midwest and usually paying $1.50-2.00/mile for dry van. Those are brokered loads and not for Landstar lease operators. That's just the emails I get from Landstar. The emails I get from other Brokers like CH Robinson or tql offer me loads across the country at rates better than what Schneider is paying you guys

I just finished listening 2 CH Robinson's quarterly shareholders report. On that conference call they predicted an increase in Freight over the next two quarters. They also said, sat there Market mix OTR is 62% of contract Freight and the rest is spot Market.

You are correct. It all comes down to risk tolerance. I would rather have control of my own fate in this industry then leave it up to Schneider who seems to keep messing it up for the independent contractor.

What kind of proof do you need? For the last year you have asked for proof from everyone, it's been given to you, but you still don't want to make a change. Why is that?

Sad part is you keep working for a company that lies and steals from its independent contractors every day. We all know there is good Freight for teams that market.

According to the market reports I've read and listen to over the last couple days from companies like CH Robinson, the market should be improving over the next two quarters and into next year. Now is the best time to get your own authority and get those relationships going with brokers.

Which so-called experts?

I strongly believe you are correct that we should not see the industry levels like we did in 08 and 09. There are indications that we should start seeing an increase in rates in this industry.

Schneider likes to keep the loads for the company drivers.

What do you consider a great week? What had been averaging over the last month?

There is plenty of space left on the plate just not at Schneider. You and your wife need to go find a company that knows how to run teams or you can make good money.

As an owner operator with my own authority, IC loads leaving the northwest heading to Missouri that are dry van loads paying over a $1.60/mile from companies like CH Robinson, tql, and Landstar. Most loads out of that region, pay very well! That's why Schneider keep them for themselves.

@Cledus Snow have you looked at other carriers? What type of requirements are you looking at for other carriers?

Skip that group and go straight to your own authority then you can work with them and get a better rate!

Are you looking to do team or solo?

I have a friend, who just brought on his third truck to Landstar and has bought three different trailers so he can run a line back and forth so he's home every weekend and getting paid over $2 a mile with his own trailers. He is not running under his own authority he is running under land Stars Authority as a solo driver. This myth Landstar has no Freight or the rates are very low it's full of crap.

What I'm calling Brokers off a Load Board, it's usually one or two calls and I've secured a load or two. I've yet they have to make more than 5 calls to get a load. And that's working under my own authority and not like Landstar system dealing with agents.

That's how it is in the real world dealing with real Brokers from load boards. It's fun listening to The Lunch Counter chatter for about 5 Seconds.

It's all about building a relationship, communication, and on-time delivery! That's what keeps Brokers calling you and giving you the good loads so you don't have to call them.

That's just it, too many monkeys can pull a dry van but most of them can't deliver on time, communicate, or be professional. That's how you set yourself apart and get those rates.

Ch Robinson, tql, and Schneider all are predicting the economy and Freight to increase. Ch Robinson 3rd quarter shareholder report conference call talked about how the bankruptcy of hanjin has caused prices in the market to increase. Many companies and carriers realized that trying to compete to to see who can get to the lowest rate the first will leave them broke.
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Great post!

freightwipper · Oct 31, 2016

redoctober83 said: ↑

It's been like 5 days since I've looked in here and there was 10 new pages of posts. Sad part, most of it was @freightwipper complaining about how he's not making money, not enough loads, or too much deadhead. Then someone chimes in telling him to go somewhere else or get his own numbers. He always response with " show me the numbers!" After that, @spyder7723 or @duddie talk about how great flatbed is. @freightwipper well then respond he will never do flatbed.

Yes, there is money to be made in dry van or some kind of box, you just have to be willing to make a change.

What kind of proof do you need? For the last year you have asked for proof from everyone, it's been given to you, but you still don't want to make a change. Why is that?

Sad part is you keep working for a company that lies and steals from its independent contractors every day. We all know there is good Freight for teams that market.

Are you looking to do team or solo?
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Yes i complain but I am still hitting my goals for team.
My goals are 6600 miles a week at $1.30 all miles or less miles for a higher rate.
On the team side here you really can't pull off more than maybe $1.45 all miles and thats if you get lucky and everything works out perfectly.
Teaming here is not in my long term plans nor is it for my team driver.
If teaming was something I wanted to do long term it would not be here because teaming at Schneider sucks. What other carrier LIMITS the freight teams can haul? As in 99% of the time we are only allowed to haul expedited long haul loads. Run of the mill loads teams here are not allowed to haul.
It really is crap.
I'm doing it because well it is short term and I am making more money. Just the fact that one of us goes solo when the other takes time off means I don't have to pay $1000+ for each time the truck sits for a week.
Now the truck is always working and really has no reason to sit.

As far as proof of more money elsewhere which supposedly has been given to me here over the past year.
I have a challenge for anybody reading..
Quote me just one post where someone posted proof of more money elsewhere on this thread THAT IS NOT FLATBED or their own authority.
People have gone on and on about flatbed and I've said I'm not interested in that.
Show me a Van carrier I can lease onto where I will earn $2+ all miles at 2500+ a week and I will leave.
That simple.
Nobody has posted no proof of any such carrier because it doesn't exist.
When solo here I still can pull off $1.70- $1.80s all miles doing two loads a day.
For me to go to a different carrier those numbers would need to be beaten.

What proof do I need? Screenshots of loads and what they pay and/or of settlements.

Yes i know Schneider is stealing from us, for freak sake they are brokering loads to themselves lol.
I am here because as just said for a Van being leased to a carrier there's just no place I can make a lot more money at.
The same can be said for all these other ICs at Schneider who complain day after day but never leave. If someone's workplace sucks so bad why don't they leave?
If there are carriers that are a lot better who wouldn't want to better themselves and be more happy with where they work?
.... but they don't leave, they just stay here and complain some more.
I personally think some here do it with the intention of trying to scare away drivers but not going to get into that here.

These brokers calling u about loads that pay $1.50- $2, that's to you with your own authority. That $2 load for a Landstar driver would mean 65% of that minus the fuel surcharge. If FSC is now .20 that means that load pays a Landstar driver $1.37 which is crap.

Yes flatbed pays more, yes someone can earn more running their own authority but I'm not interested in doing either. Maybe in the future but not now.
I'd be willing to make a change to leasing onto another Van or maybe Reefer carrier if the money is a lot better than here. Still have yet to find such a carrier but hey anybody feel free to post one here.

redoctober83 · Oct 31, 2016

freightwipper said: ↑

These brokers calling u about loads that pay $1.50- $2, that's to you with your own authority. That $2 load for a Landstar driver would mean 65% of that minus the fuel surcharge. If FSC is now .20 that means that load pays a Landstar driver $1.37 which is crap.
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That was to his truck after landstar's cut. Plus he just got has his own trailer a couple weeks ago, so that percentage to the truck just went up for him.

freightwipper said: ↑

Show me a Van carrier I can lease onto where I will earn $2+ all miles at 2500+ a week and I will leave.
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If that's what you want pulling a box and doing no flatbed work, you need to pull a reefer. That's very doable pulling for a decent reefer company that pays percentage, offers better discounts on fuel, and knows it's about consistent revenue versus one hit wonder weeks.

freightwipper said: ↑

I'm doing it because well it is short term and I am making more money. Just the fact that one of us goes solo when the other takes time off means I don't have to pay $1000+ for each time the truck sits for a week.
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That seems to sum up everything about your business right there. You're focused on the shirt term gains compared to playing the long game. There is nothing wrong with being focused on the short term gains as long as you don't loose sight of the long term strategy. Just because you can take time off and not have to pay $1,000/week because the truck is "making" money, doesn't really mean you're not paying $1,000/week. To sit, your truck isn't wearing down tires, adding miles and increasing maintenance costs, or having to pay a driver. By running it team it's costing you more in wear and tear, dropping the value of the truck faster, and requires you to pay a driver and all of his taxes since he's an employee. All extra expense that I would bet if added up would show you're making less money running team compared to what you were doing solo even with paying $1,000 a week for the truck to sit parked.

That's where short term gains look great, but in the long run you could loose.

I'm not trying to nit pick your business apart. Just trying to share a point if view to help you and others look beyond this week's revenue and paycheck that most in this industry that lease are focused on.

Read the kids story, the Tortoise and the Hare. It has a very good lesson to teach business owners.

Now go run and make me some money!

redoctober83 · Oct 31, 2016

Winnyf1 said: ↑

Lol and apparently running your own authority gives you extra time for some really detailed quoting...
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Yeah well, when you can use voice to text it makes the process a whole lot faster. I have a lot of time to think while I'm driving down the road.

spyder7723 · Oct 31, 2016

You can not make money pulling 1.30 a mile. That's a crap rate used as filter between good loads or to get our of a dead area like denver. If that's a guys average rate, he would make more money getting a good company driver job.

freightwipper · Oct 31, 2016

Math anyone?

spyder7723 · Oct 31, 2016

freightwipper said: ↑

Math anyone?
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Exactly. It's simple math. Do the breakdown and show how you make better money than you would with a good company job pulling 1.30 a mile.

redoctober83 · Oct 31, 2016

freightwipper said: ↑

Math anyone?
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Would you like her majesty's math with the metric system so it's easier to convert or the ungrateful nation's imperial system?

redoctober83 · Oct 31, 2016

freightwipper said: ↑

What proof do I need? Screenshots of loads and what they pay and/or of settlements.
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I forgot to respond to this. Give me a few days to get all that together and doctored up for you I mean Schneider requires a 5-7 day notice before you can inspect any of the freight bills after they edit the content, lol

Scott72 · Oct 31, 2016

redoctober83 said: ↑

It's been like 5 days since I've looked in here and there was 10 new pages of posts. Sad part, most of it was @freightwipper complaining about how he's not making money, not enough loads, or too much deadhead. Then someone chimes in telling him to go somewhere else or get his own numbers. He always response with " show me the numbers!" After that, @spyder7723 or @duddie talk about how great flatbed is. @freightwipper well then respond he will never do flatbed.

Yes, there is money to be made in dry van or some kind of box, you just have to be willing to make a change!

@freightwipper, you're not that far off from what it would cost you if you had your own numbers. You're looking at $12-14,000 a year for all of that under your own authority.

I find over the last month I keep getting more and more emails from Brokers like Landstar asking if I have the capacity to run loads for them. A lot of these loads they email me about are from the northwest going to the Midwest and usually paying $1.50-2.00/mile for dry van. Those are brokered loads and not for Landstar lease operators. That's just the emails I get from Landstar. The emails I get from other Brokers like CH Robinson or tql offer me loads across the country at rates better than what Schneider is paying you guys

I just finished listening 2 CH Robinson's quarterly shareholders report. On that conference call they predicted an increase in Freight over the next two quarters. They also said, sat there Market mix OTR is 62% of contract Freight and the rest is spot Market.

You are correct. It all comes down to risk tolerance. I would rather have control of my own fate in this industry then leave it up to Schneider who seems to keep messing it up for the independent contractor.

What kind of proof do you need? For the last year you have asked for proof from everyone, it's been given to you, but you still don't want to make a change. Why is that?

Sad part is you keep working for a company that lies and steals from its independent contractors every day. We all know there is good Freight for teams that market.

According to the market reports I've read and listen to over the last couple days from companies like CH Robinson, the market should be improving over the next two quarters and into next year. Now is the best time to get your own authority and get those relationships going with brokers.

Which so-called experts?

I strongly believe you are correct that we should not see the industry levels like we did in 08 and 09. There are indications that we should start seeing an increase in rates in this industry.

Schneider likes to keep the loads for the company drivers.

What do you consider a great week? What had been averaging over the last month?

There is plenty of space left on the plate just not at Schneider. You and your wife need to go find a company that knows how to run teams or you can make good money.

As an owner operator with my own authority, IC loads leaving the northwest heading to Missouri that are dry van loads paying over a $1.60/mile from companies like CH Robinson, tql, and Landstar. Most loads out of that region, pay very well! That's why Schneider keep them for themselves.

@Cledus Snow have you looked at other carriers? What type of requirements are you looking at for other carriers?

Skip that group and go straight to your own authority then you can work with them and get a better rate!

Are you looking to do team or solo?

I have a friend, who just brought on his third truck to Landstar and has bought three different trailers so he can run a line back and forth so he's home every weekend and getting paid over $2 a mile with his own trailers. He is not running under his own authority he is running under land Stars Authority as a solo driver. This myth Landstar has no Freight or the rates are very low it's full of crap.

What I'm calling Brokers off a Load Board, it's usually one or two calls and I've secured a load or two. I've yet they have to make more than 5 calls to get a load. And that's working under my own authority and not like Landstar system dealing with agents.

That's how it is in the real world dealing with real Brokers from load boards. It's fun listening to The Lunch Counter chatter for about 5 Seconds.

It's all about building a relationship, communication, and on-time delivery! That's what keeps Brokers calling you and giving you the good loads so you don't have to call them.

That's just it, too many monkeys can pull a dry van but most of them can't deliver on time, communicate, or be professional. That's how you set yourself apart and get those rates.

Ch Robinson, tql, and Schneider all are predicting the economy and Freight to increase. Ch Robinson 3rd quarter shareholder report conference call talked about how the bankruptcy of hanjin has caused prices in the market to increase. Many companies and carriers realized that trying to compete to to see who can get to the lowest rate the first will leave them broke.
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Wow. This had to take some time. I'm definitely curious about getting my own authority at some point. I feel like I should wait until I have my truck paid off and have around 50k in the bank. From what I gather things start slow developing relationships and getting revenue to come in, but I definitely think that's my goal.

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