ELD IS GOING AWAY !!!!!

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by Dave_in_AZ, Dec 28, 2016.

  1. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    That will not happen. Forced teaming will though. If you can't leave the the shipper or receiver's property, your co-driver will be able to.

    The golden age of trucking is over. If you don't want to team, there are long lines of immigrants who will. I'm quite sure the megas thought of that before they had the ATA lobby for these regulations to be passed.
     
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  3. Chasingthesky

    Chasingthesky Heavy Load Member

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    That was written about the late 1800's. You'd think we would have gotten past the point where we freak the F out over every new technology and development when previous freakouts are always proven to be largely unfounded but I guess not. Are they flaws with ELD that can be exploited? Probably. Will there be roving bands of highway pirates crashing vehicles left and right like a futuristic Mad Max? Much less likely
     
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  4. lilillill

    lilillill Sarcasm... it's not just for breakfast

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    And they don't care precisely because large trucking conglomerates are hell-bent on modeling the trucking industry after fast food--employees who possess just enough skill to assemble a hamburger, a modicum of intelligence so that they are easily controlled and a willingness to work for just enough money to buy a 12-pack of beer at the end of the week.

    That is why the trucking industry is rife with mouth-breathers who think nothing of ####ting in a bag and throwing it out on the nicely manicured lawn at the shopping center.
     
  5. Ke6gwf

    Ke6gwf Medium Load Member

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    The problem is that the exact same group that cries about losing their freedom to do things their way, the way they have always done them, is also the exact same group that is most likely to be "adjusting" their logs to make a little more money, to make things more convenient, or just because they can.

    It is this very group that is driving the need or pressure to mandate ELDs, because it is much easier to enforce the law with ELDs than with paper logs, and any time you have a law that you have a hard time enforcing, you find more effective ways to enforce it, so those who are always looking for ways to get away with a little more, are the ones making this mandate possible.

    If we as an industry was known as being trustworthy, the enforcement would be much more relaxed. But every time a DOT officer looks at a logbook, they know they have to be ready to outsmart a very creative abstract artist, and so the few honest drivers get this same scrutiny. (And I would bet that even the "honest" drivers here have "adjusted" things once in a while to make it home, or to a better truck stop, or to an appointment or out of a shippers lot, because they can.)

    And since this is so common, and everybody knows it, and the few accidents that happen with HOS violations for the driver get big news coverage, and the country generally hates trucks anyway, they are going to keep tightening things until the laws are followed.

    So thank you everyone for all the work you have put into giving Big Brother a reason to crack down on the industry!

    (and as people find ways to cheat the current ELDs, I would expect that it will cause even them to be tightened down, until pulling away from the dock far enough to close the doors will change it to Driving, and if GPS position changes between log events without any driving being done, that it automatically forwards the logs to FMCSA...
    Keep it up guys! ;) )
     
  6. clausland

    clausland Road Train Member

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    What a load of horse pucky........
     
  7. wore out

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    I notice the more money was brought up that's why a company driver cries because someone may make more money. Ridiculous
     
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  8. DL550CAT

    DL550CAT Road Train Member

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    I drive a day cab. I'm home most every night. Today I had to wait to load. I get to the pad and I had to wait to unload. Then I had to wait 2.5 hrs for school bus curfew. I had less than 6 hrs driving but I would have been over on the 14 hour rule. HOS rules are not workable for everyone. I could easily live with the old rules 10 hrs driving 8 off. They should make them an option. Or better yet leave me be and let me do my job.
     
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  9. Ke6gwf

    Ke6gwf Medium Load Member

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    So if you had the option, how long past 14 hours would you drive?
    16? 20?
    And what if a customer or boss is pressuring you to run longer to make a delivery? How far would you push it, worst case scenario?
     
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  10. DL550CAT

    DL550CAT Road Train Member

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    "If" I had the option? Thats funny. How long past 14 you ask 16 or 20? Let's see 14+20=34 that would be plenty most days
    Your whole thought process is wrong. It's not about seeing how far I can push it. Be a man. Learn to say no but if you say your going to do...get it done.
    Here is an example. I was off Saturday get a call Sunday around 5 pm. I run it thinking I'd be home by midnight. Silly me, I get home 4 am. All legal. Sleep for a few hours, until about 9 am, get up feeling like crude. Take a long nap in the afternoon. I get a call Monday evening about 6. I answer thinking I'll be good to go I feel good and I'm ready to run. But the load was not to pick up until 5 am (2.5 hours away) Tuesday. I was legal to run it. Right? But I said no. I would have been on no shape to drive Tuesday morning even though I would have been legal. Just because the law says I can does not me I will. the inverse is also true.

    My job is far different than your job (I assume you're otr). We both may drive trucks but I would not do yours and you wouldn't do mine. The rules were made for you and your type of driving.
     
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  11. OLDSKOOLERnWV

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    So you are referring to the "Outlaws"? I remember when CDL license was suppose to get rid of all the "outlaws", but it didn't. Instead it erased drivers from the industry that could drive circles around you or me! And left us with a bunch of guys the license promised to rid the industry of. Couple more months will make 30 yrs ago I crawled into a K100 and started my boyhood dream, in all this time I have never, not one time, ever had an accident while I was in control of the vehicle, yet I have had a ruptured lung, and been turned upside down while someone else was at the wheel. Not everyone likes trucking, and not everyone like these news laws, and I am one of them although I have no reason to fear them. I just don't see it as a broke system, and if it ain't broke don't try to fix it unless your trying to gain control. Be safe out there.
     
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