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1350 HAZMAT placarded

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by Aradrox, Jan 23, 2017.

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  1. Jan 27, 2017 #121
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    "con" + "scentious" = a hustler that smells bad. ;-)
     
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  3. Jan 27, 2017 #122
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    YOU ARE WRONG.

    If you route with a non-placard hazmat load, then you are a normal load with an exception of tunnels and canisters or high pressure containers - i.e. specialized gas.

    Outside of that, you can run it as you would as you would with any other load.

    You got to remember one important thing, you don't have your Hazmat endorsement, so you have not gone through any training nor took a test for it. When you get into this, then you can see what's really true and what isn't. Some of us have many years of doing this - I've got 14 years of driving with 12 of them doing hazmat loads and two solid years of that just doing hazmat loads for two customers as their only transportation for their products.
     
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  4. Jan 27, 2017 #123
    Aradrox

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    If what you say is true where is the regulation that states class 9 loads or other excepted loads can ignore the no HM signs because until I see a reg stating it is allowed I can very easily see Mr DOT saying you can't do that here is a ticket and oh good luck ever getting a HME
     
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  5. Jan 27, 2017 #124
    Ridgeline

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    Here's the thing, I can't give regs off the top of my head but I can tell you that once you get trained in HM and take the additional training your company is supposed to give you, you will be told the same thing - if it isn't placarded, then it isn't hm.

    One thing I can add to this is the exception for Sulfur is there, and that means that the RQ doesn't apply, I don't know what you hauled but I venture to guess it fell into that category and if it did, placarding it means you declared it as a HM load and all the rules apply at that point from routing to the endorsement.
     
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  7. Jan 27, 2017 #125
    Aradrox

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    If NA1350 is not hazmat because it's not required to be placarded then why is it in the red book classified as class 9 hazmat Wich it's not the sulfur that is the exception it is class 9 that is the exception. Red book classified it as a class 9 hazardous material.
     
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  8. Jan 27, 2017 #126
    Ridgeline

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    What red book?

    I have a bunch of little white ones and a big large binder but no red books.

    But to answer YOUR question, I don't know why. BUT because it has 1350, it is a hazardous material. I don't have the shipper in front of me so I am only going on what you said. I do know it is optional based on one thing, if it presents a hazard while on the truck, then it is a HM load that needs a placard.

    The contention is that you used a placard when you didn't need to. IF you don't need it, then run it as a normal load but as I said the regs are there with this on, if you declare it as a hazmat load (which the placard does) then you have to have a HM endorsement.
     
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  9. Jan 27, 2017 #127
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    Hazardous materials compliance pocket book it is the HME version of the green Bible updated monthly and I. Production by JJ Keller since 1953 honestly if you do hazmat I don't see why you don't have one. You can get the class 9 exception from your green book 173.155 it looks like there is some research you need to do... Yes placard load usually means HME required but that's the rule not the exception I'm sure you have heard that saying... Hauling class 9 is just like hauling less thank 1000lbs but will sometimes require an ID number (mine did not but shipper preferred to place it) there is also some hazmat that has lower or any lbs and requires HME and placards.

    With the red book you can look up the class and special provisions for all regulated hazardous materials via there UN or NA numbers MOST are UN number from what I can tell some have both such as sulfur.. has a UN1350 and NA1350 class 4 for UN1350 class 9 for NA1350...

    No I may not have alot of experience trucking just 19mo but I have always been a quick study if it can be learned from a book I can learn it quickly and we'll regulations can be learned from a book. I got plenty things out here to experience left and many skills to learn or improve hope you research this your self as I have and this is NOT something a shipper or dispatcher quoted me.. all I could get out of them is no you don't need a HME couldn't get the why so I found the WHY my self and have tried to share the information I have learned from. Both the FMCSA regulation hand book and the Hazardous materials compliance handbook here in the thread....
     
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  10. Jan 27, 2017 #128
    Aradrox

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    172.502 part C in response to your last paragraph read that reg and you will see that you can placard a load even when not requiring placards. If you read the entire thread again I have quoted every reg that allows a non endorsed driver to haul 44k of powered sulfur NA1350 with placards ( or in my case I'd numbers as a rectangle is NOT and approved placard but would be considered a "marking" or "Id number" this is information from. The red book I explained In the previous post
     
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  11. Jan 27, 2017 #129
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  12. Jan 27, 2017 #130
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    So Han Solo after climbing out of the trash compactor?
     
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