My latest elog question??

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by Hulld, Aug 10, 2017.

  1. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    If the dot log requirement is you must keep 6 months worth of logs at your place of business why are all the elogs available working on a cloud based storage on an off site server God knows where.
    Also as far as I know the loging rule is you must keep the previous 6 months worth of logs,except the cloud based storage keeps all the logs stored till the end of time.
    Also was just talking to a local guy who had received his mc# a little less than a year ago and just had his mandatory audit.
    The nys dot inspector who performed the audit remarked to him saying"elogs are going to be great because we will be able to pull years worth of information in an audit"
    So there you have it instead of looking at the by law required 6 months they will be looking at years worth of information thanks to elogs.
     
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  3. bowhunter67

    bowhunter67 Light Load Member

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    why not just download what you need on a usb drive and keep what you need for taxes but then you can only show them the previous 6 months and nothing else.That way they have no way to get anymore info than you give them.
     
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  4. tucker

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    I bet every big company using Qualcomm elogs only keeps 6 months of logs, surely they have a program to delete it every day. you know.
    But for my tax deduction I download and keep them.

    We've had drivers on here complain that they were audited and their company couldn't provide them with their old logs.
     
  5. Hulld

    Hulld Road Train Member

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    Because even the most no frills basic of the basic eld sowtware is cloud based and all info goes to the cloud.
    This is even true on the Stone Age vdo system.
    Sure you you could pull from the cloud and load a USB with the info but....
    A man is got to ask himself why all the elds hold there info on a cloud on an off site server and why they hold indefinite information.
    First of all the law states that six months worth of logs need to be held at the office not off site somewhere.
    Second the writing is on the wall as this progresses the dot will be electronically auditing logs by gaining access to all the logs held on a server somewhere.
    The info will be run thru software to look for points of interest to them and then you will get a vist and a lot of other fun stuff from them.
    you can bet that when an accident occurs all the records from the cloud not just the last six months will be subpoenaed from you from the lawyer on the opposing side.
    Also the insurance company's will now jump on the band wagon and ask for direct access to the cloud so they can rate your insurance based on what they find there.

    If you think this isn't possible it's already happening in other info systems administered by government.
    In my other business I do nys motor vehicle safety inspections.
    Same deal
    records were required to be kept at the shop untill about 7
    Years ago the state required us to buy an electronic inspection machine that has a dedicated internet line that hooks it to the mainframe computer at the state Capitol.
    The info is pulled from the machine and is run thru software at the Capitol looking for points of interest and the generates a list for the motor vehicle inspectors to do an onsite visit to the businesses identified.
    Anybody see any parallels here....
     
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    I'm saving that lol
     
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  8. Hulld

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    Astually I'm not seeing where it says the location for logs are mandated. It looks like document retention laws for HOS are with all the other HOS in 395. Here is what it says...
    (k) Retention of driver's record of duty status and supporting documents. (1) A motor carrier shall retain records of duty status and supporting documents required under this part for each of its drivers for a period of not less than 6 months from the date of receipt.

    And further down under the new eld law...
    4.9.2. Motor Carrier Data Reporting
    (a) An ELD must be capable of retaining copies of electronic ELD records for a period of at least 6 months from the date of receipt.
    (b) An ELD must produce, on demand, a data file or a series of data files of ELD records for a subset of its drivers, a subset of its vehicles, and for a subset of the 6-month record retention period, to be specified by an authorized safety official, in an electronic format standard described in section 4.8.2.1 of this appendix or, if the motor carrier has multiple offices or terminals, within the time permitted under §390.29.
    (c) At a minimum, an ELD must be able to transfer the ELD records electronically by one of the following transfer mechanisms:
    (1) Web Services as specified in section 4.10.1.1 of this appendix (but not necessarily wirelessly), and Email as specified 4.10.1.2 (but not necessarily wirelessly); or
    (2) USB 2.0 as specified in section 4.10.1.3 of this appendix and Bluetooth, as specified in section 4.10.1.4 (both incorporated by reference, see §395.38).​

    So it does look like the law makes took this in account and made it where cloud based storage is something that can be done legally.
     
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  11. Hulld

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    I'm not saying cloud base storage is illegal I'm asking why are all your logs needed to be stored there when it's not mandatory?
    All so notice the language of at least 6 months worth of logs must be stored....
    But all the elogs store info indefinitely.
    How often do we see rouge government agency's have access to non required info and use a false narrative to destroy people's businesses and lives.
     
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