Can anyone explain how to operate at 1.75 a mile and stay in business!?

Discussion in 'Ask An Owner Operator' started by POWolfTrans, Aug 26, 2017.

  1. POWolfTrans

    POWolfTrans Bobtail Member

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    Well thanks for your replies everyone. It helps to put everything in perspective. I've been driving for 7 years with 1 illegal left turn ticket, no accidents. Only logged 50,000 miles in a truck, which is why my rate is so high. Had to learn how to alley dock for being an o/o since my former employer/company always drove forward, not backwards. I didn't buy a new truck, I bought a used one that gets 4.3 mpg regardless of the speed you drive. If empty, it gets 10 mpg on a flat/uphill road and 30 mpg on a downhill grade. The truck cost me $23,000 total, with registration. The problem was that I was already $27,000 in debt when I started this business. The commercial loan on the truck fell through (another broker to blame for that) after I quit my job, forcing me to either take a lower paying job from JB Hunt or buy the truck with credit cards. It took the government 6 weeks to grant my authority, 3 weeks AFTER I quit my job. I've racked up $20,000 additional debt on load-boards, insurance, fuel, living expenses, rent, etc. Someone stole my car when I was OTR so I had to pay for that as well. I do understand rates are cyclical but I figured going into July/August/September rates would be going up, not down.

    I got stuck all week in a different state because the shipper made me late getting started and the broker "forgot" to reschedule my appointment. Then they failed to pay layover/detention fees that they agreed to pay. The last broker I told I need to make $1000 a day they told me they would pay it, and then gave the load to someone else while I was on the phone renting a trailer. I'm just tired of shady business people.

    I don't speed in my truck. My truck was going 68 in a 75 zone. So I removed the governor. Now I can go the speed limit, which is 75 for half of the country.
     
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  3. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    Mistake #1, you've been in the industry less than 6 months, and don't have the ability to pass the basic licensure test (ie backing up) which tells me you were in a more specialized area of the industry. You did not have the skills to start this business.

    Mistake #2, poor capitalization.

    If you knew you had to have the truck before being able to apply for the authority, and you knew (or should have known) that it would take several weeks before that authority would be granted, why not buy the truck BEFORE you quit your day job? That way you have some positive cash flow as you are waiting.

    Also - if the financing fell thru why proceed with the deal? Sometimes it's good to go for it on 4th down, but not when you're deep in your own territory and have a long way to go to the first down. 20,000 in personal debt can be a huge burden when starting this kind of endeavor.


    See mistake #1, not knowing enough about the industry.

    See mistake #2, poor capitalization

    You needed the space on those cards to cover expenses as your cash flow ramped up and you built relationships. Rates tend to take a dump in July and build thru the first of the year, then are cap until March. (Side note this is a gross generalization and over simplification ). My company encourages us to take our vacations in July, August, and January for this reason.

    Mistake #3 - own your issues.

    The shipper got you loaded late, but did you repeatedly contact the broker until the delivery was reset? Did you have detention listed in the freight contract?

    You talked with a broker about a load, came to an understanding on rates, then said "I need to rent a trailer, I'll get back to you". Another driver said "I'm ready right now" and y poo u think the broker is acting shady?

    Just because you can go fast doesn't mean you should. Especially if you're only getting 4,3 mpg. If the extra speed (read fuel) doesn't result in extra revenue, back off the accelerator and save some fuel.

    Not trying to be mean, but if I were you I'd get signed on to Mercer, Landstar, Dart, etc so you can get under their insurance and use their contacts/freight contracts to start generating revenue as you figure this business out. Or just cut your losses, sell the truck for what you can get and get a company job and start paying off your debt.
     
  4. POWolfTrans

    POWolfTrans Bobtail Member

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    Leases pay 0.90 to 1.10 per mile... why would I do that when I have my own authority? That would bankrupt me even faster...
     
  5. Cat sdp

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    You could cancel that $30K insurance policy.....for a start
     
  6. gentleroger

    gentleroger Road Train Member

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    I didn't say lease on with Swift or Transam. The companies I listed you chose your freight - based on what meets your needs. Most of the successful IC at Schneider sit north of 1.60 a mile - with no trailer costs. By running under someone else's authority you can get cheaper insurance, access to equipment, access to consistent freight.

    So you can go someplace that guys can sit easily between $4-5000 in gross revenue while lowering your costs or you can keep doing what you're doing and lose everything in short order.
     
  7. RStewart

    RStewart Road Train Member

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    If you can't make more than $0.90-$1.10 a mile at Mercer or Landstar then you should go back to a company truck until you're ready to be an o/o. Just because you have your own authority doesn't mean you're prepared to actually run under it.

    Suspending your authority & leasing on with a good company that pays % not mileage would be a good way to generate revenue & learn the business.
     
  8. Tug Toy

    Tug Toy Road Train Member

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    My first year last year (10 months) was $1.73 all miles minus %10 for the carrier so $1.55 all miles. Plus $190 week for insurance. My original budget was for minimum of $1.37.

    I made it through. I did create some short term CC debt that is paid off already. I did fine and cleared over $50k. Not the best but I spent a ton on truck and trailer repairs.

    $1.75 is not great but I could make a living at it and still take 4 or 5 weeks a year off and be home every weekend. BUT not with $30k a year for insurance and/or letting a dealer work on my equipment. That would kill it.
     
  9. nax

    nax Road Train Member

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    You may be confusing being a LEASE OPERATOR (L/O) versus LEASING ONTO.

    L/O = leasing a tractor, from the some company, that you make weekly lease rental fee to, and they feed you loads (or starve you, if you dont act right)

    LEASING ONTO = bring your own tractor, get loaded, if you get starved out, you keep on stepping.

    Having your own authority at this time means nothing. You can barely afford to eat, leave alone fuel the truck or make insurance payments.
     
  10. RStewart

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    Actually if you take your truck to swift they still pay you $0.90 a mile. The compensation program companies have has nothing to do with where you get the truck.
     
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  11. nax

    nax Road Train Member

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    Are you effin' serious????

    Who in their right mind would do this?, esp if you own your truck outright? and are not "ball&chained" by their l/o program?

    I'm shocked, to say the least
     
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