Paperless logging questions

Apparently, you don't have a firm grasp of the HOS.

 

If it switches you to driving when you are out of hours, it is a log violation. But when working for other companies what I would do when this happened was send a message saying I ran out of hours while at a consignee and had to move the vehicle to a safe parking spot. The only feedback I ever got, if any, was its not a big deal and likely wouldn't result in anything more than a warning on inspection.

 

That might explain why he's asking a question.

 

A more accurate statement would be you are failing to understand the question.

 

You should read the thread from the beginning, slow.mouth.

 

You don't even know the difference between the lines and duties but HEY at least you won't have to count anymore.

 

The question lies in "is driving while confined to private property considered line 3 or 4?"
I contend it should be logged as line 4.
On a public road? Line 3.

Perhaps I should build my business plan with only using 99 or older engines. Sustainable for sort term only. Good luck to you.

 

I was told if you're sitting in the drivers seat it should be logged as driving.

 

@JimmyWells had it right. Your location doesn't really make a flip.

Per the definition section of the regs-

Driving time means all time spent at the driving controls of a commercial motor vehicle in operation.

There's also this,

Question 9: A driver drives on streets and highways during the week and jockeys Commercial Motor Vehicles in the yard (private property) on weekends. How is the yard time to be recorded?

Guidance: On-duty (driving).

And this,

Question 26: Is time spent operating controls in a CMV to perform an auxiliary, non-driving function (e.g., lifting a loaded container, compacting waste, etc.) considered driving time? Does the location of the controls have a bearing on the answer?

Guidance: The location of the controls does have a bearing on the answer. Section 395.2 defines “driving time” as all time spent at the driving controls of a Commercial Motor Vehicle CMV in operation. If a driver, seated at the driving controls of the vehicle, is able to simultaneously perform the driving and auxiliary function (for example, one hand on the steering wheel and one hand on a control mechanism), the time spent performing the auxiliary function must be recorded as “driving time.” If a driver, seated at the driving controls of the vehicle, is unable to simultaneously perform the driving and auxiliary function, the time spent performing the auxiliary function may be recorded as “on-duty not driving time.”

Basically, if you're holding on to the wheel and moving, you're, well.. driving. Whether you choose to violate the hos is your own decision but you would be, by definition, violating them.

 

Thanks. That clears it up for me.
I guess I'll have to re plan my ways. I have a customer where they have a staging area and welcome drivers showing up early for appointment, and allow you to stay after as well. Appointments range from midnight to 8 am. Sometimes they will call me to a door well before my appointment time, and I guess if I exceed 5 mph I am in violation.