Paperless logging questions

You're just as much a fool.

 

How is that legal? He's driving, regardless of speed.

 

The best I can understand it, this is a gray area. Instead of the <5mph, I think <15 would be more in tune with slight moving. If he stays logged in then his ELD will register the line 3/4 moves. Which he is now on the 14 hour clock.

 

Regardless of what his ELD chooses to categorize his duty status as, the fact remains that he's driving a CMV and therefore technically...driving. Even using the tractor for jockeying purposes he's still driving. ELD records all ECM data like mileage, RPM and MPH.

 

I understand, but they also can fall under the 150 air mile rule, which they don't have to log. It would be great if they had a spare tractor sitting around he can use for this.

 

Yup, it is a bit of a paradox. They are allowing you to "drive" without the RODS being in the "drive" line. It does this also in the case of personal conveyance driving, except that PC is in Line 1 and YM is in Line 4.

It allows for the "yard move" to leave you in line 4 instead of line 3 if you stay under 5 MPH for ELD devices, and higher than that, if the Admin sets it so, for AOBRD devices. Yes it is still driving, but they are allowing for yard movements at least NOT to break into your 11-hour clock since it will remain in line 4 if you do it right. Since ALL movement of the CMV must be "accounted for" they found a way to help a tiny bit on your 11-hour clock since it is legally logged as NOT driving, just working.

 

Interesting. Learn something new every day.

 

I think the point your missing is that people on ELDs want to move the truck to the loading/unloading area and stay in line 2. That's how they currently cheat on ELDs and will continue to do so until driver cameras are in place so they can see if driver is in sleeper or not.

 

...and you can bet your ### that a driver facing "camera mandate" will implemented shortly after the ELD mandate steeps for a while. I wonder how many sheeple will be ok with the tearless retina?

 

No, I was answering his specific question about how the ELD will "legally" allow driving without being in the drive line in that post actually.

I do also perfectly understand that drivers "want to move the truck to the loading/unloading area and stay in line 2." The ELD will detect those short movements and will either start the 14-hour clock (if logged in) or it will flag it as an unassigned movement (if driver is not logged in.) This is an HOS rules problem that is basically the most undocumented on paper logs of all of the HOS rules.