Long story short.
I had a load picking up at the Amazon in Moreno Valley at 5:40pm on october 3rd
I get there around 5:00 so I can already start waiting in line, since the lines to pick up your load are always long(its not my first time there.)
Anyway, while Im waiting in line to drop off my empty trailer at one of their offsite warehouses(atleast 2 hours have passed by now) I get a message to the QC saying the load has been cancelled.
About 3 minutes later I get a load picking up from the same place but it picks up at 11:30pm(And delivered in Kent, WA at 1am on da 6th. Now my 14 was expiring at 11pm exactly. So i call my company and tell them, and the guy who answered was basically like "Yea you're right it does expire, how about this ask them if the load is ready right now and if it is just pick it up".
So the load was ready, and I was already I had just reached the front of the line to drop my empty trailer so I went ahead and accepted it, thinking they wouldn't dispatch me again if I turned it down.
So after I accept it however, I still have to wait in line to get into the gate to pick up the load, then wait an additional 20 minutes or so for them to bring the paper work. By the time I exit the facility I only have around 70 minutes left on my clock, and I literally ran until I was down to 0, but didnt catch a violation since I had some seconds left. All In all i was only able to drive 50-60 miles before stopping. My initial thought was that I can drive atleast 200-250 miles before shutting down, but due to the waiting times i wasnt able to.
So after driving the next day(oct 4), I call the number they tell me to call if there are any delays or issues with the load as well as sending in my running late macro, telling them I wont be able to make it until around 11am on da 6th.The guy tells me they have a lot of loads in the area they are trying to get repowered and just send in my macro 22.
I end up making it around 8am on the 6th and was told by the guard that I was "early" and not supposed to be there until 2pm but he was gonna checc me in anyway. so i drop the load, get my bills and everything is good so i thought.
Side note: when i shut down on the 5th around 8-8:30pm i was only 90 miles away but still had to take a 10 hour break before i violated HOS
The next morning I get a message saying that the load was late and I was going to be issued a service failure and to respond with a macro for any information they needed.
I basically told them.
-I ran out of hours on my 14
-I was at the shipper for over 4 hours
-That I would like for them to reply showing me how I could of LEGALLY ran the load while making the delivery at that set time
-If i am issued a service failure im going to need dispatchers and planners to stop telling me to "accept the load anyway" or "you have plenty of time to do this load" after I already turned it down
Since its the weekend i still havent heard back yet
I got hit with my first service failure and I don't agree
Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by DAX_, Oct 8, 2017.
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IMHO, if you have all of the above conversation on the QComm, schedule a 'meeting' with your safety guy, and let HIM/HER sort it out. I disagree with the service failure, entirely.
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What company do you work for? Sounds like it hit the parameters for a service failure by the computer but when reviewed it will likely fall out. Just part of the process and if I was you, would not worry too much about it yet.
If your side of the story is true and the company still dings you. Time to start looking for a company that values your service. Not saying change jobs due to one problem but unless this company overall has a very good reputation, this could be an indication that management is not running their system properly to evaluate driver performance. More problems to come if this is the case. -
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You probably won't have any luck getting the SF removed.
But let that be a lesson to you to never accept a pplan if the outcome is unsure.
Once you do, it is on you to make an on time delivery. HOS is NOT an accepted reason for a mac 22.
I've had the same thing happen to me, a couple times for different reasons.
Only one out of my 3 SF's have actually been my fault, because I overslept and was an hour late.
The other 2 were out of my control, so bogus.
But they stuck on my record for that 1 year period, and I had to suck it up.
And I do know your company very well. Mac 22 said it all.
You really have to think for yourself and not let anyone push you around. And they will if you let them.
Stand your ground so you won't have that happen again. You will not be penalized for it, in my experience. They will just send you a different pplan, often times even a better load.
It will fall off in 1 year, so it is not the end of the world.
1 service failure doesn't even mean that much, with anything.
It'll mean a lot more if you keep getting service failures. So protect yourself by staying smart about the loads you accept.ladr, TripleSix, RedRover and 1 other person Thank this. -
See what e-logs do?
And if/when this ever gets rectified by your companies poorly run team to put a service failure against you- they Need to look in the mirror.:let alone feel any compassion for you
ITS TOO EASY TO "BLAME" The Driver for anything/everything- Because a Driver is easy prey- They wont do nothing but pound sand and Stress.
And this ####### that service failed you is at home by 5:45 pm kissing his kids,eating his wifes food,and watching sportscenter,While you sit in a truck with a sad sourpuss look on your face- For something you had no control of..
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And get a ledger pad, write down everything including times to the minute for all of it. The result should be several pages of expanded detail supporting your post here. It is way better if you wrote down names of who said what when to you as well. And how. (Phone, QC etc)
Take it all to your safety tell them this is how load developed. You do not agree with the service failure. Hang on to that information in case you are dismissed. Unemployment will want that case.
More than likely you ran up against company computers that do nothing but attempt to detect drivers running late and those who did not deliver on time. You said you dropped that load, etc inside the property of the customer. To me it seems the customer did not see the load until past the delivery appointment later that day.
You apparently broke HOS at least once. Don't be doing that. Wherever your time is up for driving and onduty is where you are going to sit, don't move a inch until you can run again. Especially if you have a computer for a logbook. If it makes you late to appt, call it in and get a new appointment date and time.
Keep a recap of your last 8 days worked, it will tell you how far you can go the next 8 days every morning after midnight. Constant trip planning against your remaining hours will reveal a load that will not get there legally really easy.
Service failure is something that happens now and then. I personally did not stress about it myself. If a company thought I was so bad, they can fire me I'll move on. And sometimes those loads did not get there until I got there legally as described to dispatch and not a minute before.
One final thing.
If someone in your company says there are a bunch of late loads in a area of a country and no where enough repowering going on, that is a massive problem. You don't want any part of that.Panhandle flash, 48Packard, WesternPlains and 1 other person Thank this. -
I know for a fact. Right now, the midwest has all late shipments. Everything is red to the max on lateness. They're paying big time to get that stuff moving.
Now going in there under a big company is suicide? You go in to get things moving. Then they blame it all on you?
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I don't agree with the service failure either but I would have started sending messages around 5:25 about possible lateness due to shipper delay. But unfortunately that's one of the worst problems with working at a big company: everybody hides behind everybody else and nobody takes respnsibility for doing things right. That's why they so quickly start to get filled up with narcissists and psychopaths who enjoy anonymously causing problems for others. Decent workers don't want to put up with it, so they leave, and before you know it you have an organization which can't do anything right.
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