negotiating rates

Good ol' Landstar...

 

I get it, it's ok for you to lie so it doesn't cost you any money

 

I mean you're calling basic market research shady in this thread. Honestly how exactly do you expect people to figure out what the rates are in areas that are new to them? Just guess?

Over the last 2-3 years probably <1% of my posts have been for research. It's not something I do a lot, but when I do do it I'm gathering information for my customers. I don't think this behavior is anywhere in the neighborhood of unethical. Annoying but not certainly not unethical.

 

Ok buddy keep lying about lying on an internet forum. You have the moral high ground. Your virtue has been signaled to the WHOLE INTERNETS.

 

Not at all YOU are just like every other POS broker and the reason brokers have a bad rap.

 

Yeah... Can't win 'em all I guess. You got me buddy.

 

Alrighty, everyone back to their metaphorical corners or something. Let's try and stay on topic, here.

@rollin coal - you asked our thoughts earlier on if we thought things were coming back to earth this past week. What have your own observations been? Or for that matter, any of you guys running the spot market?

 

The fact that you can justify your lies and the lies of your carriers shows the type of low rent operation you have.

 

The thread is about "negotiating rates". Most owner operators, like myself at least, are negotiating with brokers.

I think the recent postings by this broker boredsocial fellow are very revealing.

Not surprising, but it underscores and confirms the perception and experience that many of us have regarding the shadiness of many brokers.

He admitted as much. Go put that in your "research" pipe and smoke it.

 

Being able to price lanes is a fundamental feature of DAT and one of the things we are absolutely paying for. I get calls from trucks all the time asking if I will have more loads like the one they are calling about in the future. I cheerfully answer the question in the hopes of growing my business.

Brokers price checking markets is how new freight enters the market. You having to make an extra 1.5% outbound phone calls is worth crippling our ability to see new markets? Seriously?

You need to get your head out of your own ### more dude. Really.

All I've done in this thread is be honest... And somehow some extremely silly people have taken their hostility towards my occupation (a feeling that I think is legitimate a lot of the time honestly... I picked this business because I liked the way my competition looked... they looked positively marbled then and they still do) and twisted my extremely reasonable positions into some kind of admission to every sin they've ever accused a broker of. Guys... I've brokered 700 loads so far this year. I've taken less than 6k in deductions from trucks on those 700 loads and I did it while disclosing absolutely everything about those loads that I knew up front. Not because I'm running a charity but because when you do 700 loads in 10.5 months with 1.5 people (my wife helps when there's overflow) you really don't have time for any of it.

You gotta stop looking at brokers like they are the enemy. Instead look at the group of them and separate them into further categories. Some of those categories are full of ####ty people. Don't do business with them. I suspect once you've done this your feelings towards brokers will improve. This is how I stop myself from hating all truck drivers because a few of them have screwed me over HARD.