Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

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  1. mhyn

    mhyn Road Train Member

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    you did not get what I was saying. it's not about warranty and where that car was registered . I wanted to say that cheap cars can be reliable and expensive loaded with features car can be non reliable trash.
     
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  3. Caesar

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    Yes, and this car was build according to those ULEV regulations, giving it a 15 year warranty on those parts. I have no idea why the tank/pump had to be build that way, and I have no idea why a replacement is so expensive. Doesn't make sense to me. Has nothing to do with reliability either. If it would have been a $50 pump, you wouldn't haven mentioned it. Now it's a $4500 part, you do mention it. It's all about a ridiculous price, not about non-reliable trash.
     
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    Europe had nothing to do with the period from 2004 till 2010(that's model engines not buildyear)
    That path was a 100% USA one.
     
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    We knew these emission control systems were coming .
    I bought a new cummins powered truck in 11/2006 knowing DPF was coming and worse things down the road
    Turned out to be a good decision , I was thinking that by the time my truck was worn out they would have the bugs worked out of these systems .
    Now I'm not blaming euro tech for every problem we have , I blame our gov for following you down this rabbit hole that there seems to be no exit from .
    I will keep my de-EGR-ed cummins as long as possible or until someone and it could be euro tech finds a dependable solution , but I'm not holding my breath.
    What I'm irritated by is you euro guys thinking your solutions are working , they're crap and we should not have followed you .
    This could have been managed better coming up with systems that worked and are dependable before they legislated their use.
     
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    Anyway we are bit behind in emission...eu get euro4 standard in 9/2006 if i remember correct, this was first complicated one, it had either ege only or scr , not both,euro5 came in 8/2008 it is scr system,scania tried egr and it was in many cases disaster.... this is quite simple as long you are using good DEF you will not have larger problems. Euro6 is equivalent to epa2010 we get it in 1/1/2014.
    This bring complexity dpf, oxicat scr+egr vgt or more complicated turbo system dual stage....early ones had problems with nox sensors in exhauston all brands
     
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    So let me get this straight.
    Europe wanted emission control on trucks, and set up road map how to achieve that in the period of 1992 to 2014.
    The US authorities liked the idea, and wanted to do something similar.
    The US industry however wanted to use a quick and dirty method to achieve this in the period of 2004 to 2010.
    That failed miserably, so Europe is to blame for wanting to have cleaner emissions.
    Yes, I understand the logic.
     
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    kurzhauber was presented in 1959 and was in production for europe till 1975/6, production for export was till 1995, now licence is sold and they are still made in iran.

    conventional models like you could have were made from 1959-1969.

    cabover is type LP not NG, basically it is mix of at that time new small NG and old L truck.

    production of heavy NG started in 1973 ( my father had demo/test truck nr.111 ever made) and was in production till 1988, some special models were made till 1989. for export they were made till 1994, in south africa till 1998, still made under licence in serbia and china.

    model 1525 had engine that was never offered anywhere in my knowelage i think this could be easy MAN 5cylinder engine bore and stroke are identical.

    it is sometimes confusing to see NG cab on different class, you can find it on 10t trucks and most heavy ones
     
  10. Caesar

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    So when I buy a Cadillac that is adapted to the EU standards (different suspension, brakes and so on) it will be a European car. I don't think that is the case

    Really? Start reading this whole thread again. The statement "They are ugly, I will never buy one"can be found about a million times. With regard to Canada, read their import rules on trucks.

    No, European trucking companies don't use their trucks any longer then for about 5 years. That has financial reasons, taxes, lease constructions and so on. Then the trucks are sold to development countries, or poorer European countries for a happy second life.

    Explain yourself, we don't have anything comparable to bridge laws. EU trucks can have their axles anywhere the designer wants them to be. There are just some load restrictions for axles in a tandem or tridem group, but when the axle spacing is more then 6 feet, these restrictions don't apply.

    Yes, and as I have shown it is very easy to overcome that problem. A relatively small truck repair shop can do it as an example. For a factory, it's just another cab.

    And you are referring to??

    On the trailers? A normal trailer with duals is unknown here. That's a thing of the past.

    Yes, and European companies are far more willing to try new technology. They are well aware that problems may arise, but for them that is investing in the future.
     
  11. W9onTime

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    I've never seen such a torrent of nonsense.
    It's impossible to even follow your points
    The only thing I'm sure of is , Europe is to blame for everything , including you
     
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