CSA? Or PSP?

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  1. Veteran driver

    Veteran driver Medium Load Member

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    There seems to be some confusion about the CSA/PSP Concerning drivers. From what I gather, CSA is for Carriers not drivers, while the PSP is a point based database for drivers only. If there are any drivers out there familiar with the FMCSA dynamic, please feel free to chime in and let everyone know which database is for drivers and which one is for Carriers.
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  3. Hagen&Co

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    You are correct that the CSA scores are for Carriers and the PSP report is for drivers, although the PSP report is not point based. A PSP record contains a driver’s most recent 5 years of crash data and the most recent 3 years of roadside inspection data from the FMCSA MCMIS database. You need the driver's CDL number in order to query the PSP database.

    Here's the link to the PSP program: Pre-Employment Screening Program Frequently Asked Questions
    Here's the link to the CSA program: CSA - About CSA
     
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  4. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    ######, you seem to be one of the few that know the difference, as well as the fact that drivers do not get points and a score with either. A few side notes to your excellent post. 1) Although PSP utilizes CSA data, it is not part of CSA. 2) PSP is available to a driver and prospective employers. A company which already employes a driver cannot use (At least they are not supposed to) PSP nor can insurance companies, potential customers etc. 3) PSP is voluntary for prospective employers.
     
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  5. snowwy

    snowwy Road Train Member

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    Companies look at psp because we cant see the points. They can. And our points makes up part of their score. They don't wanna hire drivers that already have 100 points. They also don't oos.
     
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  6. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    Drivers do not have points, nor do any violations the driver had that caused the carriers CSA to suffer transfer to a new company.
     
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  7. Veteran driver

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    From what I understand dibster is correct that a carrier cannot inherit a drivers poor psp score. Only while the driver is employed by the carrier will subsequent accumulated points affect the carriers score.

    A PSP report will have points for failed roadside inspections that go on a psp transcript. Even warnings get recorded on the transcript. But passing a level 1 DOT inspection does not go on the transcript.
    Very arbitrary system indeed.
     
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  8. Veteran driver

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    I saw this on another thread
     

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    Cowan systems pulled my PSP back in 2011
    They added the points which came to 30
     

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  10. kemosabi49

    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Your PSP is not point based. But many companies use software that converts the drivers crash/violation record to a point system. They then use this to evaluate prospective drivers.
    If you have the CSA list of violations and corresponding values you can figure yours out yourself.
     
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  11. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    Some carriers do play that game, but the Feds do not rate/rank drivers with points, scores or anything else unless there is a carrier intervention. When that happens then DMS kicks in and drivers are also looked at. Just adding points for drivers or carriers is meaningless and neither PSP or CSA does this as many believe. Basically CSA uses an algorithm to compare similar sized companies with a similar number of inspections to rate companies, not drivers.
     
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