16 hour rule

The very idea behind the 14 hour rule implementation in 2004 was what you just said. In 2013 on the Trucking Bozo show, he invited some FMCSA officials who said that it was going to help us and ...in some magic way force the shippers/receiver to hurry up as none of them would want to violate the HOS and carries would impose such high detention rates on them, that they would not dare to hold them at their docks for more than 2 hours. Somehow, they've been very daring ever since. They don't care and they won't care, it is on you or your company to know that Kroger or Unilever receives the product 5+ hours and either you account for that or you don't and you need to leave when they're done with you. You don't like it, you don't go there. No FMCSA will force them, the private businesses, to change anything to suit some trucking companies because the have some HOS to follow.

 

The ELD will force the trucking companies to run legal. The driver will not be forced or expected to make up the that time. Then the trucking companies can deal with the problem anyway they want. They probably can't afford to let the truck sit for 5 or 6 hours loading or unloading. Then have the driver go park for his 10 hour break.

That will foce the trucking companies to get more per mile or try and change detention pay. They could stop servicing customers that holds a truck to long.

The driver or company that wants to sit for free can still do that. The difference the ELD is they won't be able to drive and make up for that time anymore. So they can sit all day if they want. If they can afford to run that way they can keep going. If they can't make up for the time they maybe go out of business.

 

You guys don't get something, hos protects your ****es. If there were none, the carriers would run some of you into the ground quickly and others would burnout fast.

The carriers are the ones who don't care, they will continue to treat drivers as a commodity, throw the driver away when they are used up. Talk about speeding up the revolving door.

Extending on-duty time to 16 is dumb, that gives the carrier more opertunity to screw the driver.

The same crap about forcing shippers to abide by some regulations, this would screw al of us in different ways.

 

As an example of what Ridgline is talking about.... There is a local haul exemption to work 16 hours once a week (or per reset). There are tons of companies that will want the driver to use that 16hr as a normal, scheduled run. We get someone in here every few months complaining about it.

If we allow carriers to use a 16 hr exemption for delayed loading/unloading all that will happen is instead of getting detention at 2 hours, we won't get detention for 4 hours. Everything else will be the same, save a driver is expected to work more of the day for the same pay.

 

What burns my butt is that I have a delivery appt time and show up on time and their not ready. Then I have to sit their 2 hours before I can start charging. I think if they don't start to unload me when I get their start the clock.

 

My rule of thumb is that if they don't start shaking the trailer within 3 hours then there is something wrong with the shipper and calling the pick up off is a valid and justified option. There must be a tolerance limit. It is different though, if the waiting was presumed upon committing to the load and reflected in the rate already. Detention is a joke. I've seen some rate confirmations stating that it starts after 4 hours...a joke. Unfortunately, with deliveries,there is nothing you can do, just sit at their mercy.