what happens when you brokers fail at getting loads covered?

Discussion in 'Freight Broker Forum' started by freightwipper, Nov 28, 2017.

  1. nax

    nax Road Train Member

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    I dont think about it...It's an irrelevant aspect of my calculations.

    It's all based on willing buyer / willing seller...

    I focus on what I need to be profitable, and negotiate accordingly. Also referred to as "keep my eye on the ball"
     
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  3. stayinback

    stayinback Road Train Member

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    A Good question that I will make even better

    I've seen margins as little as 0% up to 70%- That's right 70%- And Ive seen Brokers Give 100% of the linehaul plus FSC to a carrier.........

    Your Typical % ?> 15-20% is generally a target they most like to hit- The "Sweet" spot typically 25% of Linehaul- Some Shippers DO figure in a FSC...

    And If your doing LTL- classified Tables with Freight Class,Weight and break....But Most Non asset brokers stay of clear of that segment of transportation.


    your probably Wondering.."How the Heck did they keep 70%?"

    I Remember it well, it was a 'truckload' from upstate NY (A stone customer that became good friends with us) going to Belgrade,MT, I Couldn't move it for its a Lane I dont handle, Long Story Short,I Recommended a Carrier to them, They sent it out to a half Dozen 3pl's...........

    46,000 pounds of Cut Stone and a 3 pc saw with attachments-legal Load.
    $7,000 was his Target.....broker that actually handled the move for him was LST services
    found carrier to move it for $ 2700.00 ........Carrier made a huge complaint about it stating the brokerage said he only had $3200 in the move..Word got back to Stephen,(Salesman) ,Whom whispered to me over the phone 1 day in disbelief......

    Anyway- broker Barred from any further business with this company.

    I give that carrier a HUGE Atta Boy for getting this Customer involved (Most likely smelled a rat) But I also keep thinking...."What were you thinking moving it at $2700" Oh Well

    Life in the transportation business
     
  4. freightwipper

    freightwipper Road Train Member

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    Had a good one recently.

    Dallas to Atlanta offered me $1650 for reefer.
    Told them there's been 8 postings on that lane with a posted rate of $2750 to $3000, four loads were posted for $3000 which I was following.
    Saw them reposted over and over again, couldn't get them covered.

    Broker said they looked into it and I am right and if I would haul their load for $3000.
    Why would I want to haul yours for $3000 when I didn't want to haul the similar loads paying the same?
    Broker said they understand and would let me know if customer can pay more.

    Point being they went from $1650 to $3000 fairly easy.
     
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  5. 6wheeler

    6wheeler Road Train Member

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    I have that answer. If its mass production of cheap freight, examples shingles lumber mulch the most a broker might make $50-$100.

    If the freight is IMPORTANT examples are military machines engery supplies
    The broker trys to make somewhere between $150-$450.

    I know because I get the same shipments sent to me as brokers.
     
  6. boredsocial

    boredsocial Road Train Member

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    I average ~10% on Reefer/van (for me this is basically all produce with load values under 15k) and ~15-20% on flatbed which for me is all building materials. This number is going to come down because I'm now working a pretty big flatbed account with much lower margins than my other flatbed account.

    I really like hanging out in the 8-12% range where I'm probably both better and cheaper than the competition. Good recipe for getting tons of loads.
     
  7. tommymonza

    tommymonza Road Train Member

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    I was just asking because all i hear on here is how Brokers are Scum and are walking with all the money.

    This may be an excéption to the norm , but my close friends 3 man brokerage shoots for a %20 märgin but most freight moves at %15 sometimes lower.

    So he averages 13-14%.
    Somedays less than that.
    He's been in business for 30 years and does an honest 11 hours a day himself to keep the show running.
    Its work on the brokers end also.
    And believe me a Ton of stress.
     
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  8. 6wheeler

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    If that flatbed account is on the east coast I might be able to give you some insite of the operations. Just name the city and state I'm sure I've been there before
     
  9. boredsocial

    boredsocial Road Train Member

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    It's national. I couldn't really talk about it in public anyway.
     
  10. 6wheeler

    6wheeler Road Train Member

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    Love them or hate them you got to have them, brokers that is. To me if a broker makes less than $200 on a shipment delivered I think thats fair.

    The ones that I hate are the ones don't pay TONU.
     
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  11. 6wheeler

    6wheeler Road Train Member

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    This time of year I'm going to take a stab at this. GP.
    That stuff doesn't really need to be tarped but should be kept dry. Some stores and jobsites set it outside uncovered. A lot of places are 24 hour 7 days a week. You can even load RGN if you stack it in a box of 4. Will need straps though for it.
     
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