I think ELDs are Unconstitutional

correct. but you fill out paper logs,like a dignified adult human. unlike eld's that are in fact being thrust upon the industry as an enforcement tool and nothing else.

it's funny,the ATA wants this log enforcement "safety device" yet they back pedaled the speed limiters they also wanted up until the eld ruling was passed.

they don't want speed regulated,which kills more people than these outlaw cowboys. i don't get the safety trail on that one....

 

But it is voluntary. You choose to walk into the store that has video cameras. You choose to drive a commercial vehicle for a living, driving on public roads and knowing that you are required to keep accurate logs.

Logging has been required for decades, so if we're using your ankle bracelet analogy the ankle bracelet has been required for decades. But it's not an accurate analogy anyways. A more accurate analogy would be of a prison guard. He hasn't done anything wrong, but he has to be under surveillance as long as he's on site. Depending on his position and where he works, he may not be allowed to carry a firearm either.

The only part of the argument against elogs I think I could potentially get behind is that the government doesn't need access to all the additional info they're requiring now. They want more than just logs--they want everything. I'm still on the fence about all that.

 

The ATA... They're kinda like a broken clock..ya know what I mean. They're also pushing for autonomous trucks.

 

There’s still going to be wrecks and drivers doing stupid stuff,

I see fast older trucks blowing past me in construction zones and governed ones too. (I slow down in them to annoy everyone)
I even see middle aged women with kids in their SUV speeding everywhere.

Elogs won’t stop or promote any of that, Elogs will electronically keep track of a driver’s hours, that’s it.
Don’t fear it, Elogs are good

 

i don't entirely disagree. but the argument thrown out there is always "we brought this on ourselves" which is just not true. this was brought on by ATA lobbyists to custom tailer the industry to their model.

this is a gov't supervisory device. log books really are not.

as i stated my issue is that this drags everyone down to the lowest common denominator and regulates them as such. which is what gov't always does. some people violated the law so we now need to supervise all of you.

722 deaths last year...... fewer than in boats....

 

yep. also interesting. i wonder if they really do. right now in a crash,they are liable. but they have a driver to throw under the bus too. the driver will not be in the equation in autonomous vehicles. who takes the liability? the trucking company or the truck maker? look at how gun makers are in the sights for lawsuits after a shooting?

 

Oh, I don't fear it, but I am leery. And, no, they aren't good. Maybe for you, but I don't want them. I keep my nose clean and have had no HOS violations in over 20 years. Hey, if you like them and want them, go for it. I'll not judge you because of that. I would be accepting of the elogs if they did away with the 14 hour window. That is the biggest problem here.

 

But without the 14 hour window there would be no point in taking a 10 hour break.

 

Have you ever read the constitution? I'm guessing not...

 

Unless you're making the claim that you've been 100% honest, you've not had any log violations in overt 20 years because you've not been caught