Why do truckers surrender civil rights with HOS regs?

Logbooks.

Yes. "Fill your boots", so to speak.

No one is forcing you to travel by motor vehicle, or work in an occupation that requires the same. You have made that choice. Ergo, it is not "required".

 

Are your papers in order, Komrade?

 

Проклятая прямая маленькая девочка.

 

1. I'm not an attorney that specializes in transportation and I can't cite the specific case. But if you wish to provide me with a stipend of say $500.00 (U.S. funds) (because I don't do silly things for free) I'd be more than happy to find it for you, or you may take the time to do your own research, otherwise you should provide an attorney with a stipend, and have him ask the Supreme Court. Do/Would you not believe that as long as the Hours of Service rules have been in existence that a questionable law/rule (there's a large difference between a law and a rule) would not have been tested through the courts? I'm just a retired person that enforced these laws, rules, and regulations. I learned about this Supreme Court decision while in college.......my major was History....what was your major? Back then I did look it up and my statement is in fact correct. By the way.....saftey (sic) and/or safty (sic)..........this means you spelled the word improperly. S A F E T Y

2. What does highway funding and/or "taking care of" have to do with this? Highway funding is just that. Rights and privileges are a different matter no matter from where these funds come.

3. Correct as to traveling. But you don't have the RIGHT to do it in a vehicle. As stated previously, you have feet and have the RIGHT of freely traveling using those two feet. But you have no legal RIGHT to drive, however you may have the PRIVILEGE to drive freely within the applicable laws, rules, and regulations, assuming a state has allowed you the privilege to drive freely within those regulations, laws, and rules because a state has issued you a driving license. If you had an absolute RIGHT to drive, then there could be no governmental power or authority that could suspend that right.......NONE!! Again I suggest you look up the definition of those 2 little words.

What is the definition of sheesh?

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Individual theories and the understanding of words are amazing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I cannot do anything but marvel at them.

 

What if I'm not required to keep a logbook(my car). Do my "Rights" change? What if my logbook is always kept legal w/respect to other documentation? Any change in my Constitutional "Rights"?

Can I ride a horse?

What if MY "persuit of happiness and liberty" requires that I travel via my legally purchased and licenced vehicle...using taxed fuel. Does that change my "Constitutional rights"?

Authorities telling you it is your "Privilege" to do something is merely a way to "Control" your freedom... as stated by Spacer... People, don't buy it!

Could it be my "Privilege" IS provided to me by my "Inalienable Constitional Rights"???

 

If you're not a trucker already, I don't see how you are going to survive this industry.

Driving is a privilege not a right. Any 5th grader could tell you that. I have read the 'Bill of Rights' and there is nothing in there about the 'Right' to drive a vehicle.

You also have a 'Responsibility' to follow the laws laid down by the city, county, state, and federal government. If you fail in that responsibility, you surrender certain rights as a penalty.

I have no idea what you are trying to accomplish with this argument, but it's not going to accomplish much of anything.

 

Private passenger vehicle operators are not required to keep logbooks, as you well know. Certain classes of commercial vehicle operators are. You can be ticketed based on a logbook violation, i.e., self-incrimination. However, you are not required to speak to the LEO.

I don't know ... can you?

And then this is where you really lose it ... there is no Constitutional right, nor any specific requirement for any specific methods, or modes, in the pursuit of happiness and liberty. Your choice of certain methods may require you to act according to certain rules and regulations (formal and codified to informal, i.e., "common sense and courtesy") that have been accepted, for a variety of reasons, public safety being among them.

There are no rights without responsibility. And no one is truly free to do as they wish at any, or all, time(s) ... that's the recipe for anarchy.

 

If you fail in that responsibility, you surrender certain privileges as a penalty.....................but you got it mostly RIGHT lol

 

Where in the Constitution of the United States of America does it give you the RIGHT to drive?

I think we'd better give up. There's no understanding his statements, nor do I believe he'll ever understand it unless he has the intelligence to look these two words up in a dictionary assuming he understands the difference between nouns, and verbs, etc.

 

Thanks for the correction! My brain is a bit frazzled today! Or should I chalk it up to a blond moment?