Eld exemption for livestock and agricultural commodities extended to June 18

Discussion in 'Trucking Industry Regulations' started by Accidental Trucker, Mar 20, 2018.

  1. spyder7723

    spyder7723 Road Train Member

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    And this is the root of the problem. This particular segment of the industry has ignored hos for decades, even worse than produce pre hos reform. Every segment of trucking has challenges and every segment is capable of adhering to hos, just some segments choose not to.

    Livestock isn't special, yes they have unique challenges, but their biggest problem is the market is flooded with part timers. I dont give any credit to the whole 'we are unique' thing. Thoroughbred race horse movers are also unique and they were able to adapt. Flower haulers are unique, sure the freight doesn't die if it sits for a 10 hour break and is a day late, but it might as well. Valentine day roses have zero value on feb 15th. Even segment is unique. Heck even dry van has unique segments.

    Point is, the life stock industry can adapt to running legal hos. Now many of you might no longer want to hail livestock once it adapts, but that's a different conversation. No different than me getting out of the live plant segment when the dot actually started enforcing hos.
     
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  3. Rubber duck kw

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    Yea if we could get them to fix the hos I wouldn't mind elogs definitely be easier, of course to me properly fixing hos is get rid of them entirely
     
  4. Accidental Trucker

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    Historically, there has been an "accommodation" between enforcement and bull haulers. We haul live fish, and we experience the same thing. Typically, when they find out we have live fish on board, any planned inspection disappeared, and became a cursory paperwork inspection. When empty, the magnifying glass might come out, but not typically when loaded. That's happened only a few times, and typically by new inspectors with something to prove.

    Safety records of the industry were better than general, so there really was no outside pressure to tighten up on the bull haulers. So the industry developed it's infrastructure based on this mutual understanding. Farms and processing plants developed relationships based on "what could be done" transportation wise. It's somewhat difficult to move either one. In my case, I turned up the truck and took off the governor, and now, with MAP-21, we are doing fine. Is it safer? Cheaper? Less stressful? Heck, no. Most bull haulers already run big horsepower and ungoverned, so there's nothing to be squeezed there.

    Into this, the ivory tower bureaucrats, who have to look up how to spell "truck" in the dictionary, inject the ELD, and now that accommodation is no longer possible. They've tried to loosen the HOS through the proposed guidance under Map-21, and that has helped a great deal, but we fundamentally have to address the HOS, or change how cattle and pigs get moved.
     
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  5. spyder7723

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    Yes very thin margins, but to be fair if those same ranchers didn't buy a new tractor, new diesel dually, and the ever present 20k gator that they use for nothing but to drive out along the fenceline, those thin margins would go a lot farther.
    I just can't have any sympathy for a guy talking about how hard it is to make a dollar when they keep spending tens of thousands on what amounts to new toys every few years.
     
  6. Rubber duck kw

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    Yea that's true but most of them are leasing their equipment and they're having the same problem with the new diesel pickups that have def and egrs as semis do they trade them in every 2 or 3 years to try saying on maintenance
     
  7. Long FLD

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    100% agree. I started reaching out to various state Ag and livestock associations in the spring of 2016 about what was coming. Most didn’t even reply, those that did basically said the mandate wouldn’t happen.

    Land isn’t cheap. Building rest pens wouldn’t be cheap. But people would build them and people would use them if they had to. In certain areas owning rest pens would be a viable business venture.

    Any place that you rest cattle will need to be certified and cleaned after each use otherwise you’ll run the risk of contaminting your load if the person there before you rested sick cattle. That’s part of the issue they’re talking about now. It’s basically issues they should’ve been talking about two years ago. I saw what was coming, I made the choice to get out. I was pretty burnt out anyways so I sold my truck, paid off my debt, and went back to my old driving job.

    The only issue I have is everyone saying to run team like it’s a simple solution. The small family farms will be the ones taking the hit on the extra freight costs, and then they’ll sell out and the big guys will keep getting bigger. The same people that I hauled 1400 mile loads for a few times a year are the same ones that kept me busy the rest of the year when I wouldn’t need another driver with me.
     
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  8. shogun

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    Let’s give em an easy one @woreout. Go load some killers out of green forest, head down through Conway and you best have a good jake brake, then come down through lake village, the back delta highways through Mississippi. Take it to FPL packers in Augusta, Georgia where you wait behind 20 trucks. Watch some cows unable to get up, hit em with the bolt gun and drag em out with a forklift and a chain. Easy peasy, especially for an Elog loving steering wheel holder.
     
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  9. wore out

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    I say come outta the I-44 barn down 65 and across the same way lmao.

    Cafe at Green forest used to be one of my favorites. Cattleman or something like that.
     
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  10. shogun

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    Can you imagine some of today’s new soft sissy drivers in the top deck with a charlois bull? When you are standing by the jailhouse and a 2200 lb charlois enters the upper deck first, you aren’t worrying about if you showed on duty time or if you took a 30 minute break. Your wondering if that thin cut gate will protect you from the potential death that bull or any of the other 1200 pound heifers can do.

    Some of these folks have no idea, but it doesn’t stop them from running their mouths.
     
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  11. Hulld

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    Back when I was doing it I had jersey downer down in the belly in about three inches of slop.
    I was trying to get my knees under her side and get her up.
    About that time the half wit from sale barn decided he needed to jam a cattle prod in her neck and let her have it.
    She swung her head around and had a very sharp set of jersey horns which caught me across the top of head.
    35 stitches later and I had to take a taxi back to the sale barn because an ambulance took me to the hospital.
    Then at 3:00 am I had to load 37 more head on when I got back before I could start driving.
    Is getting your head sewed up on duty or off duty?
     
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