Ways to get around NC workers compensation requirements

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  1. Ericb

    Ericb Bobtail Member

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  3. Ericb

    Ericb Bobtail Member

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    I found this and if I understand it correctly, it seems I am not required to get workers comp for myself.
    §97-19.1. Truck, tractor, or truck tractor trailer driver’s status as employee or independent contractor.

    (a) An individual in the interstate or intrastate carrier industry who operates a truck, tractor, or truck tractor trailer licensed by a governmental motor vehicle regulatory agency may be an employee or an independent contractor under this Article dependent upon the application of the common law test for determining employment status.

    Any principal contractor, intermediate contractor, or subcontractor, irrespective of whether such contractor regularly employs three or more employees, who contracts with an individual in the interstate or intrastate carrier industry who operates a truck, tractor, or truck tractor trailer licensed by the United States Department of Transportation and who has not secured the payment of compensation in the manner provided for employers set forth in G.S. §97-93 for himself personally and for his employees and subcontractors, if any, shall be liable as an employer under this Article for the payment of compensation and other benefits on account of the injury or death of the independent contractor and his employees or subcontractors due to an accident arising out of and in the course of the performance of the work covered by such contract.
     
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    As I understand it if you are a owner operator driving your own truck, under your own authority, you don't need it. Now if you hire someone to drive your truck he/she is a employee then you must have it for them. When we drove for Bolt as a team Bolt required it from all their drivers that were O/O. This I understood because Bolt had more than 5 employees the state required it. I never understood that. When other carriers ask me for OAI I tell them I'm exempt, in TN, and I never had a problem. I only have my wife and I who drive at the present time. When we had 8 trucks leased to us it was the same, no OAI insurance needed because we never had more than 5 employees at the company. Again this in TN.
     
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    kemosabi49 Trucker Forum STAFF Staff Member

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    Ok. I thought I was confused before. lol.. I hope you get it figured out and you won't have to pay those ridiculous rates. Good luck.
     
  7. dibstr

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    May want to reread that. It basically establishes who is liable in a contractor subcontractor situation. With only 2 employees you do not have to have WC but if you do not get WC and are injured on the job, then FedEx is held responsible. I would have thought that FedEx would either require you to have it or provide it to keep from being responsible if something happens.

    Something unclear in your initial post. It appears you may believe you pay the WC rate on your truck’s gross. If so this is incorrect. You pay the rate only on actual salaries paid. If for instance you paid yourself a $500 salary and your wife a $500 salary you would pay 5.2% of a $1000 or $52.00 not $104. 5.2% is not a high rate. Check out pulp wood companies. Last I saw it was 98%, so for every $100 paid in salaries, they pay WC $98. That’s high. That’s why very few have WC and why pulp wood has been going bye bye.
     
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    taodnt Light Load Member

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    Late to the party.

    No, he is asking for information on tax avoidance.

    OP, call the WC in NC and get a direct answer.
     
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  9. SteveScott

    SteveScott Road Train Member

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    From what I can find, as an O/O in North Carolina working under a sole proprietorship or LLC with one employee, you don't need WC. But, FedEx is required to have WC on all employees including sub-contractors, so they are putting you in the position of obtaining it. It sounds like FedEx is too cheap to buy a blanket policy to cover sub-contractors such as yourself.

    North Carolina Workers Compensation Insurance | WorkCompOne


    Trucking companies: Truck drivers must be covered by a workers’ compensation policy, even if the owner-operator is considered an independent contractor. The principal contractor can be held liable for the owner-operator, and their employees or subcontractors, in the event of injury or death.

    A trucking company may obtain a blanket policy to cover all independent contractors and their employees or subcontractors.
     
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    nikmirbre Road Train Member

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    Its like this.....If you have more than 3 employees you're required to have a workman comp policy per NC regulations. There is a such thing as a "ghost policy"... fed ex may not allow this though. Ive been through this very same thing when I was leased on to a carrier who thought this same thing of the NC regulation.....
     
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  11. Ericb

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    Thanks for your comment. I was misunderstanding it. Now it makes sense why Fedex would require us to pay for Workers Comp.
    As for the 5.2% cost for running a $1000 load, the Fedex agent I talk to told me that it was 5.2% of the gross pay to the truck per driver. I will have to ask them again to get more clarification. I think they mean 5.2% of the gross that each driver would get from loads they did. That means if we did $1000 load, I would have to take out $26 for myself and $26 out for my co-driver. $26 is 5.2% of 500. That sound about right?
     
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    Reason for edit: Mistakenly added quotes from another post in this reply.
  12. dibstr

    dibstr Road Train Member

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    Yes, it’s a percentage of payroll, but for them to do that you would have to provide them or their WC carrier with payroll info. Absent that the only thing they have to go on is the truck gross. If they charge you the 5.2% of gross for each driver rather than 5.2% of total payroll I would contact the NC WC commission. Hopefully it’s just a misunderstanding.
     
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  13. nax

    nax Road Train Member

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    Y'all are making this harder than it needs to be.

    WC is required (BY THE STATE) if your operation has 3 (THREE) or more employees.

    Since you are an O/O with less than 3 employees, then you are NOT REQUIRED to have WC, and fedex cannot force you to get it.

    They can ask, but you dont have to get it <-------> same as you can ask for a higher rate, but they dont have to give it to you.

    Push comes to shove, just adjust your price to Fedex by 10%, and if they negotiate you down to 5.2%, then you are still golden (i.e. they are paying for it, just dont tell them that)
     
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