Why do so many Americans hate European trucks?

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  1. KVB

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  3. Caesar

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    You're making the statement, so you should be able to support your claim with figures. If you can't, then it's no more then self made up hot air.
     
  4. Caesar

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    If 80% of the urea production is used for fertilizers, and there are many other uses for it, then it is very clear that the DEF market is just a tiny fraction of the urea production. So to state that "urea is much more in demand" is a gross exaggeration.

    DEF is nothing else as urea dissolved in water, anyone can make it. There's absolutely no reason that one company should have a monopoly on DEF, that has to do with the way your market is functioning.

    And yes, when the government and congress (= the people) demanded that NO2 emissions would have to be drastically reduced, DEF had to be used in truck engines to accomplish that. But guess what, that is what governments are for, making sure that people and the environment are not harmed by dangerous substances. That's why lead was removed from gasoline, and sulphur from diesel. In one year time the access by cars and trucks to the city of London will be very much restricted, the air pollution caused by cars and trucks is so bad, that it is the only way to prevent people getting sick or even die from it. A Dutch company is producing lots of electric trucks for use in London.
     
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    So Brazil has to fix their refineries to get the sulphur out of the diesel. May cost money, but it is well established technology. Shouldn't be a problem.
     
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    Something like this, or use pld
     
  7. Caesar

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    Or use bio-diesel and/or alcohol as diesel fuel.
     
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    The Dutch company Emoss is producing electric trucks based on DAF and MAN chassis. However, they can install their electric driveline in any truck, so they can even turn your big Peterbilt or Kenworth tractor into an electric one. Isn't that great?
     
  9. Oxbow

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    I have neither the time nor the wherewithal to support my opinion, so I will call it a hypothesis.
    To fail to consider the merit of the argument and call it a ridiculous statement displays an agenda driven narrow-minded point of view. Not surprising I guess when your only metric of an environmentally clean truck is what comes out of the tailpipe.
     
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    There's a lot of trucks in this country. A small fraction of UREA devoted to producing DEF puts a strain on the supply if suppliers taper off production for any reason or if during the spring agricultural demand for it rises. So even if it is only 1% of UREA it still is affected by normal market supply and demand. Even with our bad ways of supply and production DEF is likely half what it cost in your over taxed country. It's still too much and still a net drain on other productive areas of the economy. Congress wasn't elected by the people with any mandate on diesel truck emissions. More likely they were influenced and swayed by huge multi-national corporations like Brenntag that it was "good for the environment" never mind they'd profit billions from it. And so to be against that would be the equivalent of being against the environment.
     
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  11. Oxbow

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    And the production of all this electricity in London has no environmental impact?
     
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