Hours of Service Local route drivers

Most states, especially when Haz Mat, have adopted the FMCSR 'in toto' which means all the Federal laws still apply

 

You are limited to 12 hours drive time. Period.
Your boss needs to deal with the 12 hours.

I also think if you are hauling hazmat, there is a logging requirement in some states.

 

The log book exemption is 100 nautical air miles.

Also, the part about needing a DOT number may or may not be accurate. In Tennessee for instance, you do not need a DOT number, if you don't cross state lines. Along with TN, there are a few other states that don't require a DOT number for intrastate commerce.

 

12 hour clock time.
11 hours drive time + 15 pre and 15 post + 30 lunch.

He can go over 12 hours UP TO 14 hours. If he goes over 12 then he needs a graph log.

 

Not necessarily. They simply figure between loading, unloading, fueling, paperwork, and everything else you have to do within your day, it is physically impossible to drive more than 11 hours within a 12 hour shift.

...and the 30 minute break is NOT required when you use the short haul exemption.

 

It has nothing to do with wether you drive 11 or not. It has nothing to do with wether you take a 30 or not. We all have a combination of drive/onduty.

It's 12 hours and that's how it's broken down. 11+15+30+15

THAT was how it was explained to me by the 2 companies i worked for before the economy crashed and i went OTR again. It might be different now that there's no longer both inspections.

 

The companies explained it wrong. HOS limits drive time, which is why you must keep a RODS when OTR. Unless you're driving around just for the sake of driving around, it is impossible to drive more than 11 hours in a 12 hour work day once you factor in time for loading, unloading, fueling, paperwork, inspecting the rig, etc...which is why short haul exempt doesn't have to track their every status change. Your employer keeps a record of your hours worked to make sure you get 10 hours off.

 

No, the companies have it right. And they've been around longer then you or i.
You're just not thinking it clear.

It doesn't matter about on duty time. It doesn't matter about driving time. It doesn't matter if you only drive 6 hours and work 6 hours.

It doesn't matter how the clock is broken down. And nowhere is it implied you're going to be driving 11 actual hours or anywhere close to it.

Just because the 12 is broken down to the regulation defenition. Doesn't mean that's what's going to actually happen.

Who cares about paperwork, loading, unloading. And driving 11 hours. Which obviously isn't going to happen.

 

Apply common sense to what your companies told you and try again. The simple fact that the short haul exemption means you are exempt from the 30 minute break requirement shoots a Grand Canyon size crater through the whole "11+15+30+15" theory posited by the know-nothings at your companies.

Short haul is exempt from the RODS requirements, but still subject to the HOS...meaning you still only have 11 hours of drive time, which is physically impossible to do operating inside of a 100 air-mile radius when you have to return to your starting location to be released from duty inside of 12 hours, because at some point you're going to spend time loading, unloading, fueling, inspecting the rig, filling out paperwork, etc...and ALL of that needs to happen inside of 12 hours. Just returning to the starting point within 12 hours isn't going to get you eligible for the short haul exemption if you work the dock through the 14th or 16th hour...you weren't RELEASED from duty within 12.

 

(e)Short-haul operations -
(1)100 air-mile radius driver. A driver is exempt from the requirements of §§ 395.8 and 395.11 if:

§ 395.8 Driver's record of duty status.
§ 395.11 Supporting documents.

And just so you know:
§ 395.3 Maximum driving time for property-carrying vehicles.

Now I skipped posting the actual criteria, as that can be read at 49 CFR Part 395, Subpart A - General for clarification.

Notice it specifics record of duty status and supporting documents are excluded specifically, but nothing about HOS. The full 11 driving and 60/70 count using the short haul exemption as it's not specified.

As for the 30 minute break, it is specified in 395.3 directly.:
(3)Driving time and rest breaks.
(ii)Rest breaks. Except for drivers who qualify for either of the short-haul exceptions in § 395.1(e)(1) or (2), driving is not permitted if more than 8 hours have passed since the end of the driver's last off-duty or sleeper-berth period of at least 30 minutes.

So yes, @Pedigreed Bulldog is correct and the two companies older than God are wrong. Just because they have been wrong for 100 years, doesn't mean they somehow become right just due to age.