I too agree, that is a good question. One that I asked my CPA. He explained it to me in Jan. '07. I've forgotten what the explaination was, but it was within IRS guidelines.
Also, he was the CFO at Crete for 10 years, and did his CPA business for O/Os on the side, till he aquired enough clients to allow him to focus on his CPA business full time. And, after having the chance to talk with other O'Os associated with, I believe he knows what he's doing.
My numbers as an O/O leased to Crete
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I have seen this error before from tax preparers (usually at the big box stores) that try and prepare truck driver returns. In every case I have found they (the tax preparer) mis read the depreciation schedule. As I understand it an enclosed box truck would be a 5 year depreciation and a class 8 "tractor" is a 3.
I do appreciate the info you have posted and would suggest getting a "second opinion" from an enrolled agent (even doctors get 2nd opinions). I have a few other CPA contacts and they are all in agreement; "class 8 tractors are indeed a 3 year depreciable asset."
Ultimately it is the taxpayer that catches the fines and penalties for any errors made on the tax return even if it was completed by someone else. You are working way too hard to get tripped up by something like this. Good luck! -
You make a valid point. Thanks for your concern.
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One factor to consider is when the tractor is sold.
The true and correct depreciation is to be used. Therefore, if the method that is being used is not the correct method, the IRS can change to the correct method and adjust the tax return and reflect higher gain which results in the the taxpayer being charged additional tax.
A five year life on this type of asset is probably based on the financial accounting method used in the larger business. It keeps the dollar value of the asset higher until it is sold. It does not reflect the true depreciation or value of the asset. -
An "allowance" is by definition an allowance; what's allowed.
Everyone gets a standard 10k deduction even with the most basic taxes. They don't come back and audit how it was used and tax it if it wasn't. -
I called my CPA today and asked for a claification.
While it is true that a "Highway Tractor" has a three year depreciation (i.e. the shortest period of time that depreciation can be used), there is a 4 year schedule that can be used. Also, since I was a start-up business in Aug. '06 and only had a partial depreciation for that year, the 4 year schedule now becomes a 5 year schedule.
I know Kevin Rutherford, and others will say, "get all the depreciation as fast as you can". I say it comes down to a matter of personal preference. Do you want to claim higher depreciation over three years and pay fewer taxes, and then, for two years, have to pay much higher taxes while you still have a truck payment. Or, do you want to have a fairly even amount of taxes to pay over five years while you have a truck payment. I choose the later.
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Years 4 and 5 are usually when new business owners start building a shop or coming up with other "write offs" to shield their earnings from the tax man. A good CPA will help guide you through this time.
Most new companies have such a high failure rate that the accelerated depreciation method rate gives these fledgling companies an opportunity to start turning a profit before Uncle Sam steps in.
You are correct Kevin Rutherford advocates the 3 year depreciation method but then again so does John Turner, PBS tax service, and RKMS tax service aka "The Tax Lady" (a former IRS agent who now does tax returns for truck drivers).
I use several sources to make sure I have the most current information available as well as reading the IRS web site itself when I am unclear on something or I hear conflicting reports.
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IRS dictates 3 years on tractors.....not an option.
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There is a 4 year option. Publication 946, Appendix B, Table B-1, page 97.
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