Cat 6NZ max the jakes

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  1. Canucklehead

    Canucklehead Medium Load Member

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    I'm thinking about buying a new used truck with a cat 6NZ built in 2002. Very fresh inframe etc. Woohoo, no egr etc. Anyhow, I'm a Cummins freak and have owned a big cam 400, N14 and an ISX. So yes, I just may become a convert to a yellow motor. I spend at least 85% of my time in the mountains of BC. Therefore maximum hold back going downhill is what I want. One thing about Cummins, they've always been king off the jakes. Slam the ISX if you want, but you have to wear a seat belt, otherwise hit the jakes and you'll go flying through the windshield. Ha ha. Anyhow, I already know there isn't a kitty out there that can hold like a Cummins.

    So my knowledgeable yellow gearheads on here, what is the special Cat secret on getting better jaking? I've heard over the years something like an add-on exhaust brake or whatever. The motor is set at 550.

    Thanks in advance.
     
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  3. Cam Roberts

    Cam Roberts Road Train Member

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    I never heard of anything to improve cat jakes so i will be interested in this thread
     
  4. charlie1403

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    Me too. I have heard people describe Cummins jakes as being like the hand of God grabbing hold of the trailer. My 6nz is more like Tinkerbell grabbing hold and fluttering her wings a bit.
     
  5. A5¢

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    I used to drive a Mack four axle dumper with a single stage Jake, that you could just about bring to a complete stop without touching the brake.
    Wouldn't the EVAs have an effect on how well the Jake's grab?
     
  6. Canucklehead

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    I dusted off my memory data banks. I think the add on jake for a Cat is called a retarder. I won't get into the debate on whether or not that is a politically correct term, lol. But anything that helps me transition from running long downgrades in top gear with an ISX to a cat would be appreciated.
     
  7. benjamin260_6

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    Some engines have the option of turning on the fan with the Jakes. If you can do that with a 6NZ it'll really help .
     
  8. Canucklehead

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    Well, I'm more wake this morning. Thanks to my memory about a retarder, I surfed for a while and came across what's called a Cat BrakeSaver. Supposedly it was a factory option for 3406 up to C15s. But was seeing two different methods that were called a BrakeSaver. One is a unit that fits on your driveshaft, lots of mods to tranny etc to make it fit. The other is a compression brake that mounts on the engine. Without getting into all the technical stuff for either, basically it's either a hellacious cost to retrofit, or would have to a motor with that option. Although something for the driveshaft doesn't seem to me to be specifically engine parts. Anyhow, I also assume there would be ECM issues etc. I did find a kit for up-fitting a Cat Brakesaver on an engine without one. That I assume would be the compression version. Anyhow, it's a cool $14,000 before labor. So, I guess when looking at a truck with a Cat in it, ask whether or not it has this technology. For me, I think I'll just stick with ISXs.
     
  9. Canucklehead

    Canucklehead Medium Load Member

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    Any truck that has a manual fan override switch can zap roughly 8% from the motor. It's an old trick to get extra hold back. That a required trick for any Detroit in the mountains lol. But it's not comparable to an actual strong jake.
     
  10. Superhauler

    Superhauler TEACHER OF MEN

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    Brakesaver IS a retarder. Bolts on flywheel with Control valve on steering column. With a jake brake it is an awsome setup. Adds about 700 lbs to the weight of truck. The more exhaust pressure you have the better a jake will hold but sacrifice engine performance. There is a exhaust brake you can add that is fairly easy. I think it is called blue ox. It is just a control flap that restricts exhaust flow which should help with jake brake. It bolts on after turbo. Be careful and don't let it close off to much or you may blow exhaust gaskets.
     
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  11. A5¢

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    This is what is sittin' on top of my C15 ACERT.
     

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