Have not seen this before...

Discussion in 'Questions From New Drivers' started by 9STM68, Jan 23, 2009.

  1. psanderson

    psanderson Road Train Member

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    But this reversal was because the municipal court failed to properly accept evidence.

    The municipality argued in the appellate court that just because the cop failed to circle certain information on the implied consent form should not allow the lower court to not accept the implied consent form as evidence and throw the DUI case out (the lower court suppressed the evidence of the implied consent form illegally). The higher court agreed with the municipality and said that if the document was offered it should have been accepted as evidence in the lower court. The higher court then remanded the case to the lower court and allowed the document as evidence which means the defendant was then probably convicted of DUI in the subsequent hearing which the municipality was seeking because of the error by the lower court of not accepting the evidence.

    So in essence the higher court said that just because the form was not circled by the cop is not an excuse to admit it as evidence. But in this person's case he states it was dismissed because the cop didn't show up at a hearing. I still believe it will show up as an implied consent on his license because he and his attorney accepted the 90-day suspension without question, argument, appeal, or anything............he accepted the suspension because of the implied consent and is therefore a part of his record.
     
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  3. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    I agree . I posted this case because it gives a good example of S.C. 's implied consent law . 9STM68 stated he had the right of refusal . True , they can't force you to test but refusal results in automatic license suspension . I agree with you that this likely will eventually show up and potential employers won't be impressed with a dismissal on a technicality . There is a reason a person refuses .
     
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    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    I see the case you posted in a slightly different light. It basically shows that when dealing with legal documents(ie the SLED preprinted rights advisment form) that mistakes or omissions deem the document still admissible or valid in court.

    Frankly, this is very disturbing news. LEO's just like truckers(log books) SHOULD make sure they dot all the i's, cross all the t's and get the p's and q's in order for legal reasons. It would seem if a LEO makes a mistake on a legal document, they would/should get an Ooops, no harm no foul... Whereas, if a trucker makes a mistake on a legal document(the log book) they are screwed.

    Doesn't make much sense to me.

    I wont even get into the 'Constitutionality' of implied consent. :biggrin_25525:
     
  5. psanderson

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    FYI: Implied consent has been on the books in most states since the 1970's. While not an attorney, I'd just about bet a steak dinner at Outback Steak House that these implied consent statutes have been tested in the appellate courts since then by someone with lots of money e.g. that peroxide blond in CA that thinks she can sing that's had about 6 DUI's and runs around with those dogs the size of a large rat. You know the one. She shaved herself bald a couple years ago.
     
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  6. 9STM68

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    When a person is arrested for any reason and questioned they are read their Miranda rights...ie...You have the right to remain silent. If you remain silent that that mean you are guilty? Same for implied consent...You have a right to refuse....this does not mean that you are attempting to hide something...you are excercising your right....there are many reasons why a person would refuse to blow....in my case it was because I was a law enforcement officer and was certified on this same machine that the Trooper wanted me to "Blow" on. These machines are not without flaw but law enforcement does not want the general public to know this....just Google "Datamaster problems" and see. I suppose that a potential employer would look at this and wonder....but in this country you are supposed to be innocent UNTIL proven guilty....you are not required to prove your innocence. IN my case I was found NOT GUILTY by a jury of my peers on the DUI and the license suspension was dropped because the officer did not wish to take the time and follow established procedure.
     
  7. shredfit1

    shredfit1 Road Train Member

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    Come on, implied consent laws are a way for law enforcement to conveniently tiptoe around individuals Constitutional rights. (See Admendment 5 ....nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself).

    Similar to these, are muli-jurisdictional, non-border, suspicionless checkpoints where American citizens can be stopped, asked where they are going, and further detainment me be required if they don't comply(or simple execute their Constitutional Rights). Where will it end? Think, Nazi Germany era, "Papers please".

    I fail to see ANY benefit of the excessive governmental abuse of power.

    Please enlighten me. :yes2557:
     
  8. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    With the knowledge you had you would have been better off to take the test and provide the data on equipment flaws as a reason for the case to be dismissed . As you stated , the fact that these machines have flaws is common knowledge on the internet and I'm sure there have been legal precedents .
     
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    9STM68 Bobtail Member

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    I suppose you are right looking at it that way....but there are two sides to the coin....Would you drive a truck knowing that it has major flaws? I know most vehicles have something wrong with them at one time or another....but if you got into one knowing it had major flaws and this caused an accident....do you think that you could explain why you drove it and come out ok? Something to think about....
     
  10. RickG

    RickG Road Train Member

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    Apples and oranges here . There are regulations prohibiting driving defective equipment .
     
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    I know it is two totally different things.....What I am trying to say here is that I was certified to operate these machines and KNOW they are flawed. My refusal was based on my knowledge. Most people just go with the flow because they think they have no other option and are not aware of the flaws.
    Officer: "Be a good boy and blow into this tube....I might cut you a break."

    Unaware Citizen: Duh....ok...
     
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