My numbers as an O/O leased to Crete

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  1. Roadmedic

    Roadmedic Road Train Member

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    I just went into my tax program and tried to make a semi into a 4 year property and it would not allow it. It offerred 3 year or 5. But the program pulls for the type of work the vehicle is used for.
     
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  3. jdrentzjr

    jdrentzjr Road Train Member

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    "Electing ADS. Although your property may qualify for GDS, you can elect to use ADS. The election generally
    must cover all property in the same property class that you placed in service during the year. However, the election for residential rental property and nonresidential real property
    can be made on a property-by-property basis. Once you make this election, you can never revoke it." Publication 946, pg.31.


    "The following is a list of the nine property classifications under GDS and examples of the types of property included in each class. These property classes are also listed under column (a) in section B, Part III, of Form 4562. For detailed information on property classes, see Appendix B, Table of Class Lives and Recovery Periods, in this publication.

    1. 3-year property

    a. Tractor units for over-the-road use." Publication 946, pg. 31


    Using ADS, and the example given in Appendix B, you can depreciate over 4yrs. And since I was a start-up business in Aug. '06, I was able to claim only a prorated amount. Thereby, giving my a prorated depreciation the 1st year, full deduction for years 2-4, and a final prorated depreciation in year five.

    My head hurts now after all that IRS publication reading. Think I'll take two asprin and read you in the morning. :biggrin_25526:
     
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  4. Roadmedic

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    I only prepare the returns I do under an agressive stance. I had to read these rules and research and find they are in fact correct, but not what I recommend or prepare returns on.

    It is a highly restrictive method if a business purchases more assets than one in a year. It can affect the entire depreciation expense. It also prevents the ability to use section 179 deductions in the best tax planning moves.

    I am not saying that the method is wrong, it just seemed odd to me to not take an agressive stand on equipment that is not going to have a value.

    If you are comfortable with the method, it is all that is needed.
     
  5. jdrentzjr

    jdrentzjr Road Train Member

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    I completely understand your want to use an agressive depreciation schedule. Also, the information about how I was able to utilize a 5 yr schedule will hopefully be benificial to others. This would not have happened if you had not pressed for clarification.

    As I've statted before, I welcome any constructive questioning/critics, or insight. I'm interested in a continual education in this arena we call O/O.
    For in the end it will make me smarter and stronger as an O/O. And in this tough economic situation, ONLY THE STRONG WILL SURVIVE!
     
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  6. Actually Kevin says the first year you have some choices and then your stuck with the plan you chose. So the 1st yr he figures up where they are sitting and then use that for how the depreciation will pan out. In general yes he says get depreciation as fast as you can but keeping in mind one size doesn't fit all The only place I have seen (coming from a company driver on the outside looking in) where you could do better is trying to get fuel mpg up to 7mpg. Perhaps instead of recaps tires with lower rolling resistance, synthetic fuel along with an oil bypass filter to lower maintenance cost (pays for itself in a year or less if you are getting monthly oil change) and maybe an apu but at 19% idle you would have to run the numbers (Thermoking or Carrier). You would do these one step at a time and let the savings get saved up for the next improvement, so it would be a while before you would actually see the full fruits of the investments.
     
  7. jdrentzjr

    jdrentzjr Road Train Member

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    1) Already run cost effective recaps.
    2) The cost of synthetic oil vs regular mineral based oil is not worth the cost. The reason, in an EGR engine the soot levels are higher, and therefore must still be changed more often. Thus, negating any cost savings.
    3) I use the FS2500 Bypass Oil Filter. I change the filter at 10k miles, as per manufacturers instructions, and at 30k have an anylisis done. Usually it's time to change the oil due to soot levels getting high.
    4) At 19% idle time the pay off on an APU is way too long. Especially now that the price of fuel has dropped, and considering the cost of maintainance on another engine. Once the reliability of battery operated units improves I may go that route.

    Thanks for your reply to the thread, and hope this helps others.
     
  8. Please clarify for me, I thought the oil bypss filter would be able to filter out the soot. Letting the oil last up to 200,000 miles or so if nothing mechanical went wrong like antifreeze or high metal count in the oil.
     
  9. jdrentzjr

    jdrentzjr Road Train Member

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    You are correct in your thinking. The problem lies with the ULSD and EGR combination. Even with an oil bypass, my oil still seems to get dirty. Maybe it's my bypass filter not doing it's job.?
     
  10. jdrentzjr

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    Here is an update for the first quarter of '09.

    April 30, 2009

    John, following you will find your March 2009 monthly financial statement.

    In looking at the March financials, you are showing a Net Profit of $10,522 for the
    year-to-date period. This comes out to $0.381 cents per mile and is based on
    27,599 paid miles. You are averaging 9,200 paid miles per month this year
    compared with 12,045 monthly miles you averaged last year. You were out on
    the road 75 days through the end of March 2009 (83% in service) and averaged
    368 miles for each day you were out.

    Your maintenance expense for the first three months of 2009 was $2,363 or
    $0.086 cpm and your tractor supplies expense was $28 or $0.001 cpm. Your
    maintenance expense includes tire costs of $760 the month of March. Due to tire
    costs your variable tractor expenses are slightly higher than the $0.04 to $0.08
    we expect to see.

    Fuel costs averaged $0.301 cpm less fuel surcharge reimbursements of $0.158.
    This results in a net fuel cost of $0.143 which continues to be a very good net​
    fuel cost.

    My miles were down the 1st quarter due to slow freight, and I had to take a week off in Jan. due to death in family, and two weeks off at the end of Feb. due to health issue.

    Due to the fact I saved money during the good times, I had the nessecary funds to see me through this tough 1st quarter. Not putting monies aside is what usually ends many an o/o's business. Even with the tough 1st quarter, I still have over $16k in my maintainance/rainy day fund.

    The end of March, and most of April, I've seen my miles starting to pick back up. I'm expecting a better 2nd quarter.

    During this rough economic time I've been able to atleast keep my head above water. 1) I really believe in the power of prayer. 2) I've got a good business partner in being leased to Crete.


     
  11. jdrentzjr

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    John, following you will find your April 2009 monthly financial statement.

    In looking at the April financials, you are showing a Net Profit of $18,283 for the
    year-to-date period. This comes out to $0.440 cents per mile and is based on
    41,512 paid miles. You are averaging 10,378 paid miles per month this year
    compared with 12,045 monthly miles you averaged last year. You were out on
    the road 104 days through the end of April 2009 (87% in service) and averaged
    399 miles for each day you were out.

    Your maintenance expense for the first four months of 2009 was $2,830 or
    $0.068 cpm and your tractor supplies expense was $41 or $0.001 cpm.
    Together your variable tractor expenses are right in line with expectations. Fuel
    costs averaged $0.303 cpm less fuel surcharge reimbursements of $0.157. This​
    results in a net fuel cost of $0.146 which is very good.


    April was a much better month, and May is shapping up as well.
     
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