We all like the current HOS

Discussion in 'ELD Forum | Questions, Answers and Reviews' started by tucker, Aug 28, 2018.

Do you like the current HOS

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  1. Yes

  2. No

  3. I'm too lazy to comment to the FMSCA

  4. It won't help

  5. They'll do what they want anyways

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  1. tucker

    tucker Road Train Member

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    True,
    BUT
    Only around 1,400 drivers out of millions and millions of truck drivers went to the FMSCA’s website and commented on changing the HOS.
    It’s rare the head of the FMSCA asks drivers what they want changed and then he gets very few comments.
     
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  3. 06driver

    06driver Road Train Member

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    Just for the record all NPRMs have a comment period.
     
  4. Rocks

    Rocks Road Train Member

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    This is a very short OOIDA video that provides step-by-step instructions for commenting on FMCSA's hours-of-service Advanced Notice of Proposed Rulemaking. If you folks have any input, ideas, suggestions, opinion, TELL THEM. This is the link to the video.

     
  5. 06driver

    06driver Road Train Member

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    For Fornications Sake do not listen to OOIDA!

    They are the idiots that orchestrated the campaign resulting in the 30 minute break
     
  6. Rocks

    Rocks Road Train Member

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    So far only 1,596 people have submitted comments to FMCSA about changes on HOS :biggrin_2552:

    The due date for submitting comments to FMCSA is Sept/24th/18 at 11:59 ET

    Those interested, may read the text below, and their questions. Copy and paste them into word program so you can take your time answering them and then copy and paste the answers into the FMCSA website.
    It may take an hr but your contribution is HIGHLY NEEDED.


    Here is the link to Regulations.gov

    Here are the petitions by OOIDA and Trucker Nation for Rulemaking.

    E. OOIDA Petition for Rulemaking
    On February 13, 2018, OOIDA petitioned FMCSA to amend the HOS rules to allow drivers to take a rest break once per 14-hour duty period for up to 3 consecutive hours if the driver is off-duty. OOIDA explained that the rest break would effectively stop the 14-hour clock. It would also extend to the 17th hour after coming on duty (instead of the current 14th hour) the latest time a driver could drive after coming on duty. However, drivers would still be limited to 11 hours of driving time and required to have at least 10 consecutive hours off duty before the start of the next work shift.

    OOIDA's petition also included a request that the Agency eliminate the 30-minute rest break requirement. The organization explained that there are many operational situations where the 30-minute rest break requires drivers to stop when they do not feel tired.

    A copy of OOIDA's petition is included in the docket referenced at the beginning of this ANPRM.

    F. TruckerNation.org (TruckerNation) Petition for Rulemaking
    On May 10, 2018, TruckerNation petitioned the Agency to revise the prohibition against driving after the 14th hour after the beginning of the work shift. As an alternative, the organization requested that the Agency prohibit driving after the driver has accumulated 14-hours of on-duty time.

    In addition, TruckerNation requested that FMCSA allow drivers to use multiple off-duty periods of three hours or longer in lieu of having 10 consecutive hours off-duty, and eliminate the 30-minute rest break requirement.

    TruckerNation believes the requested changes to the HOS requirements would achieve a level of safety that is equivalent to, or greater than, the level of safety that is provided by the current regulations.

    A copy of TruckerNation's petition is included in the docket referenced at the beginning of this ANPRM.


    And here are the comments FMCSA is asking from US DRIVERS.

    V. Comments Sought
    The Agency specifically seeks comments and data from the public in response to this ANPRM. We request that commenters address their comments specifically to the enumerated list of issues below, and number their comments to correspond to each issue. FMCSA anticipates that some of the information and data sought may include confidential business information. These comments should be filed in accordance with the requirements of 49 CFR 389.9 Treatment of confidential business information and the instructions under the subheading Confidential Business Information, under the headings ADDRESSES and Public Participation and Request for Comments.

    1. Short-haul operations.

    a. Do you have any data to show that extending the 12-hour period for the short-haul exception to the RODS/ELD requirements to 14 hours would change the safety performance of carriers using the short-haul provision?

    b. How specifically would a 14-hour period change your driver or carrier operations as compared to 12 hours?

    c. What would the incremental change be for your operations/business if the exemption was changed to 14 hours? For example, would your operations expand or would your drivers/carriers move from non-exempt status to exempt status. What would be the economic impacts of that incremental change?

    2. Adverse driving conditions.

    a. Is there adequate flexibility in the existing adverse driving conditions exception?

    b. How often do you currently utilize the adverse driving conditions exception?

    c. What are the economic impact of the current exception on your driver or carrier operation?

    d. Should the definition of adverse driving conditions be changed?

    e. Should the adverse driving exception apply to the 14-hour work day window, not just the 11-hour driving limit?

    f. How would the above changes affect the economic costs and benefits, and the impacts on safety and fatigue of the adverse driving conditions exception?

    3. 30-minute break.

    a. If the 30-minute rest break rule did not exist, would drivers obtain adequate rest breaks throughout a daily driving period to relieve fatigue?

    b. Are there alternatives to the 30-minute rest break that would provide additional flexibility to drivers while achieving the safety benefits goal of the current 30-minute break?

    c. If a rest break is retained, should it be taken off-duty or on-duty while the driver is not driving?

    d. How does the 30-minute rest break impact the efficiency of operations from a driver's or a carrier's perspective?

    e. How would your suggestions impact the costs and benefits of the 30-minute break?

    4. Split-sleeper berth.

    a. FMCSA has announced a proposed flexible sleeper berth pilot program. Beyond the information that will be collected in the pilot program, do you have any information that would support changing the current requirements?

    b. Are there alternatives that would make the sleeper berth options more effective or less costly?

    c. How often do you use the sleeper berth option currently; how would this change with your suggested regulatory alternatives?

    d. What cost impacts and safety benefits would result from different split sleeper berth options?

    5. OOIDA Petition.

    a. What specifically would change about your driver/carrier operations by extending the 14-hour driving window?

    b. Is there a likely increase in safety risk from extending the 14-hour driving window? For example, would altering the current rule allowing 14 hours on duty and 10 hours off duty interfere with drivers' circadian rhythm? Could driver health be affected?

    c. Would a potential increase in safety risk be lessened by the requirement that all the additional time beyond 14 hours must be off-duty time?

    d. Would allowing OOIDA's request for an extended break during the work day improve safety by allowing drivers to increase the total amount of off-duty time during and immediately following the work from 10 hours and 30 minutes to 13 hours, without reducing the maximum driving time available within 14-hour window?

    e. Are there other flexibilities or other non-safety benefits that could be realized if the 14-hour window is extended?

    6. TruckerNation Petition.

    a. Is there a likely increase in safety risk from eliminating the consecutive 14-hour driving window? For example, would the absence of a limit on the length of the work shift—the time between the driver coming on duty after accumulating the minimum of 10 hours off-duty and the driver being prohibited from driving—combined with splitting the required 10 consecutive hours off-duty into a number of segments, interfere with drivers' circadian rhythm? Could driver health be affected? Please provide data on the costs and benefits of this approach.

    b. Are there other flexibilities or other non-safety benefits that could be realized if the 14-hour window is eliminated?
     
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  7. tucker

    tucker Road Train Member

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    Plus if you like the current HOS you should comment.
    If we ever lose the 10 hour break then we’ll be delivering at the oddest hours and coming back to a full truckstop to finish our split break.
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    “Nap a little and then go deliver and then come back and nap a little and you’ll be good to drive 11 hours, no we don’t pay for parking, if you want to reserve a spot then you’ll have to pay for it”
     
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    You know... whatever opinion or ideas drivers may have about this issue, they should be submitting them to FMCSA. It's a waste of time to complain or ague with to each other...:argue: You or I or anybody here can't change anything alone.
    I find it amazing, sad, it's very frustrating.... there are MILLIONS of truck drivers in this country and only less than 1,600 have submitted comments.... :angry2: and some haven't even read the questions... FMCSA has specific questions... but people have posted a few general comments that don't even answer their specific questions... :biggrin_1square1:
    So, how can they change the rules and make them better for us if they don't know crap and we don't give them our ideas, any knowledge? It's not every day that FMCSA asks us for input... And when drivers have the chance to participate, they do nothing... Psss me off.... :angry1:
     
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    Ohhh... sorry.. I haven't read your comment here and basically wrote the same thing...:rolleyes:
     
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    Hey... I wrote the number of people who have submitted comments wrong... it is 1,596 and NOT 1,956... sorry for that... I do that once in while... :biggrin_2552:
     
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  11. 06driver

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    Have any of you considered it is because no one cares?

    All I commented was to refute everything OOIDA said.
     
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