What the...Idle Adjust? 2015 KW T680 Cummins ISX

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  1. Roteck

    Roteck Light Load Member

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    While waiting around for my trailer to be loaded in my 2015 KW T680 with the Cummins ISX, I started beating (lightly) on my cruise control buttons to the beat of the song I was listening to and the idle raised a little. About 40 RPM. I thought something just broke on the engine or an injector stuck or something. I knew that if I turn the cruise control to on, and hold set, I can raise the RPM which is what I figured I had done but my cruise was off so I began pushing the Resume-Set button and found that I could raise or lower the idling RPMs. Ever since I bought the truck it idled at 700 RPM even after I had it deleted and tuned. It always sounded like it was too high but it was like that since forever so I didn't bother with it. I rarely idle because I use my APU but I have a freon leak so I've been idling a bit lately. Well I noticed when I dropped it down to 620 RPM it was a very very very smooth idle, much smoother than I've ever felt this truck idle and the idle fuel usage went from 0.8mpg to 0.6mpg. Now I realize that low idle is not good but how low is too low? I don't have a DPF or any of the emissions equipment so could lowering the idle to 620 do damage? I'd like to lower it to that because of the fuel saving and the lack of idle vibration but obviously I don't want to do this if it's going to do damage. Thoughts?
     
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  3. aussiejosh

    aussiejosh Road Train Member

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    Idling the engine for great lengths of time is bad for the engine it will eventually glaze the cyclinders we used to have a perkins diesel we used for water irrigation when we were running a Sugar cane farm and used to run it on very low rev's cause to higher rev's would make it pump to much water it eventually started using a whole lot of oil. Ideally keep it above 1100 rpm wack on cruise control and bump it up you will of course during the night burn up around 8 gallons to keep you air - con on alternatively if its not that hot why not try sleeping without the engine running i did it all the time in winter and summer unless it was filthy hot or below freezing i could sleep quite comfortably and did my bit for the environment the only thing i got annoyed with was no company bonus by my employer for keeping fuel costs down.
     
  4. Roteck

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    I drive a lot in the South and Southwest where it's 24/7 above 80 except in the winter so I always used my APU only. And I shut that off if it gets cool enough at night but it rarely does. I'm an owner operator so burning 8 gallons idling per night will not work with me but won't be a problem when I get my APU's A/C fixed. Right now it's 91 degrees in Jenks OK so I'd melt if it shut it down.
     
  5. x1Heavy

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    8 gallons at 3 dollars per is 24 dollars. Not much less than a rate at the hotel.

    You do not idle a truck really slow. It does not do well. Trucks we had in our time during winter out west or north we would have them at 1500 set. And even with max heat and a winter front when it's -50 outside the cab is barely habitable with full jackets, layers etc. Fuel is life and having a engine going is the same.

    We usually idled at 1000 for overnight most of the time it's a huge Z generator and charges the battery etc and heat or cooled nicely. No problems. Being a team we never shut off. So fuel savings is less of a concern.

    My knowledge is dated, there are too many variables in what a company truck might or might not allow a driver to do and that can be a problem.

    I know very little about APUs in my time everyone laughed and say they are fancy and take too much weight and required maintaince etc. The corporate attitudes in those days is just run it and shut up about getting a APU on. It was a different time.
     
  6. Rubber duck kw

    Rubber duck kw Road Train Member

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    Way to low, let it idle at 900 or 1000 that little bit of fuel you might save isn't going to matter in the long run.
     
  7. Roteck

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    That would end up being $720 a month if it's the summer and hot all day and night which is pretty bad. Thankfully I have an APU, when it works which is 90% of the time I don't burn much. It supposedly burns 0.1 gph which saves me a lot of money but yes it does have high maintenance only if it's abused. I service mine everytime I take my truck in for a PM. I swap all the filters and change the oil. Recently had to put a new fuel pump on which cost $180 and took me 20 minutes. Not a big deal for the quality of life it provides.

    Right now, bumped up to 1000 RPM it says it's burning 1.3 gal/hr and when the fan comes on it goes up to 1.7 gal/hr which over a 10 hour break under a 90 degree night would end up being 15 gallons a night which would be ($3.09/gal) $46 a night which would be $324 a week which would be over $1200 a month. Hardly an expense I want. Of course I hardly want to spend $8k+ on an in frame from excessive low idling.

    Under normal idle it says it burns 0.7 gal/hr which would be half the above. Saves a lot of money to normal idle instead of high idle. I guess it would depend on how long it takes for your motor to give up to determine which costs more. Unfortunately some of us can't sleep in 90 degree ambient temperature and must leave the truck on basically 24/7 especially those of us with pets like me. Even when I go into the office to get papers and things for shipping/receiving my truck must remain on because in 90 degrees, it takes 5 minutes for the inside temperature of my truck to reach 90+ degrees. So literally my truck would be running 24/7 without my APU. APU is well worth the investment if you ask me. I'd say I have to spend $150 a month average servicing the APU. Right now I get by on recharging the freon that leaks out to empty in about a month.

    But I don't plan on running the idle down at 620 RPMs from the damage it could do as stated. So until my APU is recharged...which is whenever I stop for my next 10, Normal idle is probably where I'll leave it.
     
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  8. Crude Truckin'

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    With Cummins, you can shut the cruise off and adjust your low idle speed. Doesn't hurt nothing as long as it isnt too high. When I had a Cummins, I usually set it at 650 or so and left it.
     
  9. RustyBolt

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    When I idle mine, I bump it til the truck shows a minimum of 30psi oil pressure. I don't care how much fuel it's using. I care about keeping oil going to the top of the engine.

    I was told this years ago. Maybe it's misinformation or myth. But it's done ok for me.
     
  10. Roteck

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    Looks like at 700 RPM I'm at about 35 psi. Lowered to 620 RPM it puts it right on the line at 30 psi.
     
  11. x1Heavy

    x1Heavy Road Train Member

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    I appreciate you taking the time to write.

    A APU will pay for itself within half a year or less. Rest would be profit if you have a really good one.

    This industry is for lack of a better word in some difficulty and has been for a long time. At the end of the day, the driver or team drivers need to be able to live in that cab and sleeper in all weather anywhere in the USA if it's -60 up north without factoring wind or 130 over here in the south you need to burn SOME sort of power to maintain a habitable and supportive temperature, humidity and so on inside that cab as the driver or team set likes it.

    Otherwise we can all go back to 300 mile day cab days with a hotel every night or 150 mile relay turns yard to yard and back.
     
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