Do shingle loads really need x-straps.

Discussion in 'Flatbed Trucking Forum' started by idriveaholden, Oct 23, 2018.

  1. ReeferOhio

    ReeferOhio Medium Load Member

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    So, we run shingles a lot, daily. Couple manufacturers are our main clients. No X is required that's a TMC thing. And I just want to clarify another point, yes I'll get push back on this, two straps are NOT required on the back row of shingles. Just the front for forward bulkhead. Read the book. I got stopped and put out of service for one strap on the back, told the officer to look it up he didn't and we had a Law and Order moment, the PUCO officer actually told me "well TMC does it" we got in an argument about that comment then his supervisor was called in. It was reversed two weeks later after I went through the challenge process.
     
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  3. kylefitzy

    kylefitzy Road Train Member

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    You’re 100 percent right. Two straps are required to prevent forward movement. That’s only in the front row or if you have a gap in the load.

    Two perfectly legal loads. Straps outside the rail and a single on the back. Oh the horror...
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  4. Slowpoke KW

    Slowpoke KW Road Train Member

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    Required or not I like to put an extra strap on the back of loads of anything just for the crack of the whip effect.
     
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  5. ReeferOhio

    ReeferOhio Medium Load Member

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    To each their own, shingles are not attached as a solid unit, so if they want to move they'll move extra strap or not. I will say this past winter we had problems with pallets that had a lot of moister in them when the cold hit the shingles were like solid bricks wanting to come right off the pallet from ice that was between the pallet and the bottom row of shingles. The loaders had to creep everywhere with the shingles to keep them from sliding off the pallets.
     
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  6. ReeferOhio

    ReeferOhio Medium Load Member

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    I'd like to get my hands on a load or two of that stone! Do you run that a lot?
     
  7. Gumper

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    No edge protectors (second pic)? If you read the handbook it says only chains are to be used on boulders.
     
  8. kylefitzy

    kylefitzy Road Train Member

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    I was working for the largest stone distributor in the Midwest at the time. That’s all we hauled.
     
  9. kylefitzy

    kylefitzy Road Train Member

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    Edge protectors were used where needed. Rounded sandstone doesn’t hurt the straps. Can you link me to this regulation that says you can only use chains on boulders?

    Surly you’re not referring to 393.136

    §393.136 What are the rules for securing large boulders?
    (a) Applicability. (1) The rules in this section are applicable to the transportation of any large piece of natural, irregularly shaped rock weighing in excess of 5,000 kg (11,000 lb.) or with a volume in excess of 2 cubic-meters on an open vehicle, or in a vehicle whose sides are not designed and rated to contain such cargo.

    Those boulders are a bit under 11k pounds a piece. Closed to 800 pound a piece.
     
  10. Gumper

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    Yeah I guess since they’re light enough that’s legal. No way I’d tighten straps over those though without some carpet or something. You must not pay for the equipment.
     
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    kylefitzy Road Train Member

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    I hauled those loads all the time as long as the boulder edge wasn’t broken they won’t cut a strap.
    If your worried about those load you would hate these. Even with carpet they would cut the straps at times. I tried to get them to get me chains for these flagstone loads but they refused.

    I actually had carpet strips 1’x4’ I used on these loads but #### still happened.
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