Do shingle loads really need x-straps.

I’ve had similar, but they are crated up. You use chains over the wood of the crates.

 

Yeah those load were not to bad. I didn’t haul many of those since they came from to far away. But generally those pallets have a lean to them. We would load them so they all leaned toward the center and then strap them at an angle pulling towards the center. They rode fine.

I had to talk many a driver off the ledge when I was loading trucks. Our rate conformation would say “stone” and everyone showed up expecting bagged gravel. Only a few actually left and refused the load.

 

Brokers picture boxes of pet rocks when they hear stone. This is mostly what I’ve hauled of “stone.” I didn’t mind hauling that rock. However the shipper started getting ridiculous with the pick-up locations, so I stopped doing their loads.

 

I throw two straps on the back end of palletized freight just so I don't have to spend time going through that...

 

As others have stated,.. 2 on the front and rear. I just use a single strap for the ones in the middle.

However,....

for the pallets in middle,.. the way they stack the shingles, if you only use 1 strap,.. there will be one square of shingles that will be loose and free. I take that square on each pallet and move it over on top and then throw my strap over it with wide edge protectors holding it together. That way there are no loose bundles.

No one has ever prevented me from restacking their pallets.

Hurst

 

When hauling shingles, do your customers not complain about damages? Nobody here mentions using any type of strap corners/corner boards. You need enough straps vs. load weight. Cross strapping is dependent on State or Provincial Law, not Federal. That's why one State will write you up, while another 1K miles away don't look twice. So are many other issues with load securement.
One post mentioned that the top tier will have a row not secured if using only 1 strap. He is right. That's why using 4ft corner boards and 1 strap is legal. But is it? You're securing 2 pallets of shingles with 1/ 5400lbs strap. Each pallet weighs approx. 4300-4500lbs. x 2 = 8600-9000lbs. So technically, if DOT want to be dicks about it...they can. You will find that every State/Provincial Law contradicts another, from anything to securement, axle spreads, # of axles, over-dimensional, vehicle speeds, weights, etc. As if our job isn't hard enough! Bottom line is: 40Klbs. load needs 8 straps, cross strapped only depending on State/Provincial Law.

 

Wow, where to begin. First state laws do not trump federal law on load securement, you might find a particular state that’s being hard on a particular thing but if you’re secured according to the law prescribed by the green book you’re good and it will stand up in court.

Second you only have cover 50% of the static load. Two 4500# pallets side by side is 9000#, a 4” strap is good for 5400#. An indirect tie down which is what you have if you throw it over the pallets and hook to the other side is good for the whole 5400#, so you have 5400# of securement over 9000# which you’re required to have 4500# (50%) so it’s perfectly legal. Very few people carry 4’ V boards for the occasional shingle load, I almost never see them.

Third you mentioned states being different on axle laws and such, they all follow the federal bridge formula, as far as I know a tandem tractor pulling a 48’ trailer with a 10 2 spread can get 12, 34, 40 grossing 80,000 anywhere in the US if I’m wrong someone correct me. The steer you can actually get more than 12,000 depending on ratings and tire size, 12 is the generic number.

 

Don't throw the X-straps and try a hard brake. You'll see why, very quickly. Blocking forward movement is very important, but not obvious as to why until its too late.

Complaining about doing extra securement work is a sure sign you might be a van puller.

 

No complaints here, but I don't do it unless the front two pallets are of different hights. And I take offense to your "professional door slammer" comment. LOL The conversation is about what is legally required per the regulation. The X is not required, if you want to use more securement then you'll here no complaint from me or any other respecting skateboarder. It's your trailer you strap or chain till the pucker goes away and I'll respect that 100%.

 

Well my friend...you obviously haven't done much driving in Canada/North Dakota/Montana. Do some actual research before commenting. As to the "static load" you are right (which I do myself) but that term, is at the discretion of the DOT. Example: With your formula of only 1 strap per 9000lbs. would mean only 5 straps are holding down 40K lbs. As you fail to mention both front and rear, or even cross-strapping for that matter. Cross-strapping was the initial question. And yes, as mentioned in other posts, some States/Provincial Law require this method, while others do not, despite what your Federal Handbook says.
As for the corner-boards, if properly securing, you WILL damage the top corner of each bundle without them. And every truck loading (up here anyway) both at Building Products and IKO Industries, are required to have them. Not just to prevent damages, but proper load securement as well.
As for axle weights, most of Western Canada is 63,500Kgs. That's 139,700lbs. for are US friends. But that GVW doesn't apply throughout the nation. Why? Because Provincial Law varies from Province to Province. Now you're sitting at the scale arguing your Federal Handbook. Does that trump Provincial Law? Maybe it does, after pleading not guilty in court, and wasting more money/time than the ticket was worth. Be a professional, find out before you load what requirements are in front of you.