Just some questions came up after the I70 crash in CO.

Discussion in 'Experienced Truckers' Advice' started by starmac, Apr 27, 2019.

  1. starmac

    starmac Road Train Member

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    Oh, but you can go to slow down a mountain, it is hard to get the new guys to speed up, because in their mind it isn't right.
    If you try to go to slow your jakes will lock up and things get bad right now, then you have no choice but to grab some gears. If you run off in a little higher gear and use your jake at a lower rpm, much less chance of going into a slide.
    I am not saying hurry down, but you can definitely try to come down too slow when it is slick.

    Why I was asking about using the clutch, is anytime I am coming off a mountain and have to drop a gear, my left foot is on the brake while my right is on the accelerator, I do not have another foot for the clutch?
     
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    rank Road Train Member

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    HA! No Fn doubt!

    Remember the team who got sued for doing a driver switch on the shoulder a couple years back? This guy better say his truck quit
     
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    Hey @TripleSix this guy left Cuba in 2017 I’m pretty sure he learned on a car with drums.
     
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    I think it's pretty clear from the video that he should have used the runaway ramp
     
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    The runaway ramp is only about halfway down the official hill. There isn't another one at the bottom of the hill. the real problem is that you get to the bottom of the hill (and it goes back to 65mph truck speed limit) and it's still downhill and #### steep and now there's a ton of traffic although it's straight and you can see the traffic. The downgrade doesn't end until the T/A west exit (ward road) probably another 6 miles past the official end of the hill.

    clearly too many bad decisions (each compounding on each other), too many problems to solve in too little time (including the road, visibility (it's curvy, you don't really understand how close you are to Denver until you come out of the last little curve) and too little base of experience to solve them with. Simply ran out of time/space/computing room to try and solve the problem that really was of his own making..

    There probably really was no good solution by the end, but I think most of us would agree that we would have wrecked ourselves long before slamming into parked cars and trucks like that.

    BTW my guess on the truck parked on the shoulder is that he needed extra space to stop too. it's a deceptively steep (and long) hill and traffic always stops there. probably wasn't parked just waiting for traffic to go again and get back in the lane.
     
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    rank Road Train Member

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    Dang driver you should be his lawyer that’s the best defense I’ve heard yet
     
  8. LoneCowboy

    LoneCowboy Road Train Member

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    it's not a defense. It's just so others can understand the area and the conditions. It's not as simple as it sounds.

    The dude screwed the pooch and then at the very end failed to do some sacrificing and just gave up and plowed into people. compare this guy to the guy with the tanker that exploded (killing him) that he drove off into no-mans land so it wouldn't hurt anyone if it did explode.

    There are at least 4 huge signs covering the entire freeway telling you what and how long the hill is and what to be prepared for up to 9 miles beforehand. Whomever gave this guy a crackerjack box with his license in it also didn't prepare him for anything. And whomever let him have a license without being able to understand/speak english didn't do him or us any favors. (and who hired the guy? just another warm body in a seat).

    Trucking is unforgiving of mistakes and so are the mountains.

    Honestly some days we all make bad decisions and most of us most of the time get out with little issues or even none. But for the grace of god go I with compounding errors and lack of experience. How many airplane crashes that are so similar. Error after compounding error even by experienced pilots and pretty soon there's simply no recovery.

    Did he mean to kill or harm anyone? I doubt it, but you get behind that wheel of the big truck and it's not just your job, it's your responsibility not to harm anyone else. This "job" has a lot of responsibilities (with little pay) and many don't respect it (or the conditions) enough.
     
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    Agree 100% with all of that
     
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    Intothesunset Road Train Member

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    What is redline rpm?
     
  11. otterinthewater

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    You drivers taught me this...

    You can go down a hill a million times to slow, but only once to fast.

    I think about that every day.
     
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